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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary. The alternative to a lower minimum wage is not necessarily a higher minimum wage, but rather unemployment and no wage. If your labor does not return greater value added than the cost of hiring, training, and maintaining you as an employee, then you will remain unhired and effectively unhireable.
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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    How do you feel about Target? Best Buy? Macy's? Starbucks? Apple Store? KMart? Sears? JC Pennys?
    lots of people that hate walmart love netflix and amazon. Me, personally, I never saw the inherent advantage of "ma and pop" stores. Maybe because I once lived in a community dominated by them and noticed 1) they tended to pay the same ****ty wages as walmart, 2) charge more, 3) offer a lower selection on items.


    PS no, that doesn't mean I have no issues with walmart or their business models. it means I see no inherent benefit from something simply being a small retail business

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I must say, I love Wal*Mart. A great American success story. Worth billions. Selling at low prices so that people can afford products that they wouldn't otherwise be able to afford. Supporing the military. Employing people that would otherwise not be able to find a job, thus lowering the cost to tax payers.

    And my favorite thing is a Wal*Mart thread on a message board, the most entertaining thread there is. Brings out all the backward, hateful, low intelligence arguments by the left. Such great laughs, and proof of how wrong "they" are.
    I have my doubts whether Walmart offers lower prices as others in the business. I was in the Walmart in Newport, OR two years ago and the prices were high and the selections in food were not very good. The Fred Meyer store (a div of Kroger) across highway 101 was by far a better store.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And if Walmart pouts and decides to stay away, it's a goooood thing.....

    But that still doesn't change the fact that Walmart isn't a job creator, just a job exchanger and a small business killer. A poor neighbor in most neighborhoods, temp jobs for permanent ones and and end to most Main Street stores....
    Seems to me you should have a bigger ax to grind with Walmart customers instead of Walmart, that is pretending to accept what you wrote as the whole truth. Because it's clear they do a real good job at meeting their customers wants.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I have my doubts whether Walmart offers lower prices as others in the business. I was in the Walmart in Newport, OR two years ago and the prices were high and the selections in food were not very good. The Fred Meyer store (a div of Kroger) across highway 101 was by far a better store.

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    It really depends on region.

    Walmart certainly beats out "mom & pop" stores as far as price, but I don't think there is much difference in price between a Big-K, Walmart or Target etc....

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    It worked that way for Henry Ford. He paid enough so his employees could afford to buy and it worked.
    To be fair, he raised wages to $5.00 to deal with turnover problems. It is however notable to mention that his selling point was right on the mark. If you pay higher wages on the front end you will get more on the back end.

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    Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    I find it funny how some people are worried about "ethics" in a **** hole city like Washington DC. That city is about the most unethical, ghetto ridden hole-in-the-wall place that this country has to offer.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Higher prices.
    Baloney. I shop at Costco and they have lower prices than Wal Mart. Same with Krogers.
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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I find it funny how some people are worried about "ethics" in a **** hole city like Washington DC. That city is about the most unethical, ghetto ridden hole-in-the-wall place that this country has to offer.
    I think Chicago has DC. beat - just by a little tho.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Greeters are an inefficient use of resources. In essence, it is taxable charity.
    Not just the greeters, although they are the most striking example. I have had conversations with other employees and they seemed like nice enough people, but they just didn't have the mental capacity to do anything past the simplest of tasks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Real question: What is the alternative to a living wage?
    For all the disregard it seems to be held in, I consider the current minimum wage to be just about right.

    Demanding that any one individual be provided "a living wage" is subjectivity trying to be objectivity. Circumstances vary wildly. What might be presumed a living wage in NV probably would not be a living wage in NY.

    Equally elusive is the definition of "living".

    Does this wage need to be adequate to pay for food, transportation and shelter?
    Does this wage need to cover a furnished room, 1 bedroom apartment? A villa on the Mediterranean?
    Does this wage need to provide for a bus pass, a bicycle, a car?
    Does this wage need to provide 3 meals a day at home, at MacDonalds, at a restaurant?
    Is this person single. married, have children? Do they live with family and if so, what circumstances are the family in? An18 year old can live in a 6 story walk-up, a 70 year old, not so much.
    Are we dealing with city or rural?
    Does the person need "nice clothes" for their job or can they make do with raggedy clothes?
    Does a "living wage" include movie theater tickets? Tobacco? Beer? Condoms?

    So, really, every "living wage" would have to be factored by zip code, age, area, family and a lot of etceteras.and this means that unless you put this "living wage" at a very high mark, say about $25 an hour, you'd have a million versions of the "living wage" or you'd price the "living wage" beyond reasonable economics.

    I'm presuming we are discussing the Federal Minimum Wage. This is currently $7.25 per hour. Many cities and maybe some states, have higher minimum wages. When IU was last in San Francisco, it was around $9.50. The particular case we're discussing from the OP is Washington DCs minimum wage. Not their "living wage", just their minimum wage.

    To summarize, we can have a minimum wage but that minimum wage can not be a "living wage". Some can live for less than the minimum wage and some can not. It is not plausible to establish a "living wage".

    I hope I have answered your question.

    Let me reminisce. In 1960 I worked 40 hours a week clerking at Street & Smith (later bought by Conde Nast), publishers of Analog, Mademoiselle and other well known magazines. I was paid $1.00 per hour and I lived in Greenwich village. I rented a furnished room for $8 a week, the bathroom was shared with the other 5 rooms but I had a sink and a 2 burner stove. My subway fare was 30 a day. My meal budget was 15 which got me baked beans and coffee. Basically, I took home $36.00 and I lived on $16 and put $20 in the bank. So, certainly, the minimum wage was enough for me although I quickly improved my income without upgrading my lifestyle. So, theoretically, my "living wage" was only 40 an hour.

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