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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I don't agree. God decides what murder is, not some court.
    If you want to speak in terms of your personal views that's acceptable.

    That's unquestionably, factually, untrue when you're speaking of the government.

    The GOVERNMENT recognizes no specific god, nor specific religion, as the states authority NOR is any singular religious text legal precedent in and of itself within this country.

    Under the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT something is MURDER when it is illegal UNDER THE LAW. The GOVERNMENT has the authority to act to certain degrees to protect against murder, when it falls within the bounds of what murder legally is UNDER THE LAW for THE GOVERNMENT.

    God is not that Law, the Bible is not that Law, and Constitution and the laws that have sprung from it are.

    The government does not derive any power to take actions contrary to it's constitutional limitations from "God".

    You would have a fine argument if you had stated that you FEEL the government SHOULD act to protect against what you view as murder.

    But you didn't, you stated that they have a "right" to. Governments are not people, governments have no inalienable rights, governments have the abilities set forth to them through their founding documents based on the social contract of the people who came together to form it. In our country, those "rights" are not to do as they feel in terms of "GODS" supposed laws to the contrary of the countries Constitution or legally passed laws.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I don't agree. God decides what murder is, not some court.
    Wrong.

    This is only you stating the way you THINK it should be and maybe that's the way it really does go down in the afterlife. Who knows. But here on earth we have laws written and enforced by man. Doubt me? Go out and shoot someone who you think deserves to die. Find out what happens...
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    This is not a valid comparison. It is incumbent upon government to distinguish the difference between fire arm ownership and the possible elimination of a life. Principles are worthless if one cannot recognize the fundamental difference between those two things on their face.
    Sounding like a true anti-2nd amendment crusader there, prattling on about the "possible elimination of life" as an excuse for curtailing private citizens freedoms in the name of big government.

    Find a way to make abortion illegal or to, at least, deem the fetus a citizen or legal person and thus creating legitimate legal grey area to push such things. Until such times, all you're doing is banging the drums for big government, increased fed power, and the expansion of the state. Congrats

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Then enlighten us, what else does it do that is so controversial?
    The judge stated it served no medical purpose for the making the doctor have admitting privileges at a local hospital. It would in effect close abortion clinics, unless the bill also includes a 'shall issue' clause for doctors like they do for CCLs.

    You have read the bill, yes?

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    The admitting privledges issue seems a lot like the anti-2nd amendment individuals attempts to regulate clip size or ammunition. Attempting an end around by not removing the primary issue at hand, but rather creating significant hampering of directly related issues that cause a defacto removal or severe reduction in terms of the primary issue.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Gun owners are taught to identify the target before firing. Shouldn't this requirement be carried over to abortion?
    No Sir, they are not taught that. They are not taught anything prior to purchase. No law requires them to attend any class, no law requires them to pay for that non-existent class.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I don't agree. God decides what murder is, not some court.
    dunno about that, the Bible has several references on God approved abortions. I have read where the Bible says laying man laying with man is bad, but none where ending a pregnancy is a sin. If he can be so specific on gay sex, why not abortion, known and practiced for centuries before the coming of Christ.

    Just to be clear, who speaks for God in these matters?

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sounding like a true anti-2nd amendment crusader there, prattling on about the "possible elimination of life" as an excuse for curtailing private citizens freedoms in the name of big government.

    Find a way to make abortion illegal or to, at least, deem the fetus a citizen or legal person and thus creating legitimate legal grey area to push such things. Until such times, all you're doing is banging the drums for big government, increased fed power, and the expansion of the state. Congrats
    I'm actually staunchly pro-second. I also support legal abortion. That abortion might be regulated to some extent does fly in the face of those who support recreational sex with no consequences. This has nothing to do with "my vagina" or any of that horse crap whining. That a woman should recognize exactly what she is about to do does not seem unreasonable. One would think that such agencies as those who provide abortion services would require such things on their own - without the need for government to step in at all. They certainly would if they were concerned about the overall health of the women involved.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I don't agree. God decides what murder is, not some court.
    That's fine that you believe that, but that is not how our country is run.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm actually staunchly pro-second. I also support legal abortion. That abortion might be regulated to some extent does fly in the face of those who support recreational sex with no consequences. T
    Hahahah it's rare that they flat-out admit that this is about punishing women for having sex.
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