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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I presume your wife was a willing participant? A woman who is forcibly penetrated by a foreign object against her will is not a willing participant. You do understand the difference, do you not?
    So when you go into the doctor for anything, and the doctor says, "sure, first I need to do this", you are being forced to participate in what you asked the doctor to do?

    Puh-freakin-lease. I don't believe for one second that you actually believe the load of garbage you are peddling. Then again, maybe you don't understand the difference between "forced participation" and "willing participation".

    But just to check if you really do believe that, then stop posting. Clearly you must listen to me, and have no alternative, thus forced, so I expect no reply. And just to make sure you recognize the difference, if you reply to this, then you are a willing participant.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So when you go into the doctor for anything, and the doctor says, "sure, first I need to do this", you are being forced to participate in what you asked the doctor to do?

    Puh-freakin-lease. I don't believe for one second that you actually believe the load of garbage you are peddling. Then again, maybe you don't understand the difference between "forced participation" and "willing participation".

    But just to check if you really do believe that, then stop posting. Clearly you must listen to me, and have no alternative, thus forced, so I expect no reply. And just to make sure you recognize the difference, if you reply to this, then you are a willing participant.
    If I go to a doctor to find out why my knees ache, and he says, "Sure, but first I have to shove a metal probe into your vagina", I am not willingly allowing him to do so. I will go to another doctor to find out why my knees ache. Now when the state passes a law that says when any female wants to find out why her knees ache she must first be forcibly raped against her will with a foreign object, she is no longer a willing participant. She is being forced to undergo an invasive procedure that she does not want and does not medically need because the state has decided to play doctor.

    A woman who requests an abortion, and who is forced by state law to undergo rape with a foreign object against her will is still not a willing participant no matter how many times you say that she is. The state is requiring invasive procedures that are not medically necessary against females and forcing physicians to conduct them on their own unwilling patients. It is a legislature retaliating against women seeking abortion by legislating medical decisions and issues that should be only between physicians and their patients. That is the bottom line, and you cannot twist it any other way.
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So when you go into the doctor for anything, and the doctor says, "sure, first I need to do this", you are being forced to participate in what you asked the doctor to do?

    Puh-freakin-lease. I don't believe for one second that you actually believe the load of garbage you are peddling. Then again, maybe you don't understand the difference between "forced participation" and "willing participation".

    But just to check if you really do believe that, then stop posting. Clearly you must listen to me, and have no alternative, thus forced, so I expect no reply. And just to make sure you recognize the difference, if you reply to this, then you are a willing participant.
    If it's dictated by the state against the judgment of the doctor and patient, yes, that is forced participation. You know, that big government **** the so-called libertarians are always bitching about and suddenly are totally ok with in this case.
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If it's dictated by the state against the judgment of the doctor and patient, yes, that is forced participation. You know, that big government **** the so-called libertarians are always bitching about and suddenly are totally ok with in this case.
    Which so-called libertarians would those be?

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You don't support ER availability for eye exams! You don't want eye exams to be safe? Just say so!

    Look, you're the one arguing for the government to dictate a medical procedure. It's not up to me to prove it's not necessary. It's up to you to prove that it is.

    At least one freaking opinion from an actual medical professional would be a good place to start.
    Geeze. There are former PP managers, nurses and staff who quit over the quality of the services provided. States have documented innumerable gross and blatant failures to even provide such simple things as clean surgical tables. This has come about because PP claims to be a self-regulating organization. They obviously aren't. Why don't you go and read some of them? Here in Virginia the state did conduct inspections of PP facilities. You might go look for yourself, and read what they found.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So when you go into the doctor for anything, and the doctor says, "sure, first I need to do this", you are being forced to participate in what you asked the doctor to do?
    Yes, you're forced to participate in what the doctor says he needs to do to be able to engage in the service you're actually wanting.

    However, most people don't have a problem in that scenario becuase hte thing the doctor says he has to do is something the Doctor, or those in the medical field, have deemed medically necessary, or at the very least medically relevant, to the situation.

    In the situation being discussed here, it's THE GOVERNMENT deciding that the Doctor must do it for not medically necessary or directly relevant reason.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I think you are missing a critical detail. In order to get admitting privileges, a place has to utilize the hospital at least so many times a year. Apparently most clinics don't meet that criteria because they don't have a high enough number of screw ups. So to meet the criteria they would have to lower their rate of safe, uncomplicated abortions, and raise the number requiring hospitalization. Now what f'ing gov't has the right to invade my privacy, make me pay for unnecessary ultrasounds, and then tell my provider that he/she has to lower his/her success rate???? I mean really, puullleeeeazeee.
    That's a misrepresentation of the methods by which admitting privileges can be obtained. They can be obtained through association with a physician that has them. They can be contractually obtained. This is what self-regulating PP has delivered in Virginia: http://iveactionnews.org/new-house-o...rtion-clinics/

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

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    Zyph is no RINO. He is a REAL Conservative, who doesn't want the government meddling in other peoples' business.
    Now you understand the use of the smiley. I do know the difference between a small government ideological conservative, and a republican conservative. One is evil, one is the diet pepsi of evil.
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Now you understand the use of the smiley. I do know the difference between a small government ideological conservative, and a republican conservative. One is evil, one is the diet pepsi of evil.
    I was going to come in here and go "Diet Pepsi? EWWWW. I'd prefer to be Dr. Pepper 10 if I have to be a light versio nof something". Then I realized that Dr. Pepper 10 isn't for Women, and that would just horribly spiral out of control

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