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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    1.)It's interesting then, that the very same argument that the effectiveness of contraception is used as a justification for abortion. I don't dispute that.
    2.) When, on the other hand, virtually the same rate of complication is used as an argument that additional medical support may be required based on that number, it's suddenly insignificant.
    3.) Let me be specific. Depending on the numbers you subscribe to, roughly 5 or 6% rate of abortion complication is recorded. This is roughly comparable to the numbers of abortions in which there are complications. 4.) If you claim that abortions are justified based on the ineffectiveness of contraception,
    5.) then I can easily claim that hospital admission should be required to address the complications arising from abortions.
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    You don't get to have it both ways. Based on the numbers.
    1.) i dont make this argument and i have never seen anybody use it as a sole argument ever
    2.) nobody called it insignificant only that it doesnt justify BS regulations that the medical industry itself doesnt feel are needed
    3.) be as specific as you want its nonseical meanignless filler that has nothign to do with the discussion at hand.
    4.) I dont nor does anybody i know use this alone and even if they did its meanignless to the topic at hand its a complete strawman
    5.) you can claim it all you want but youll have nothing logical to support for it im not trying to have anything both ways, again you are inventing a strawman
    6.) good thing im not trying to have it both ways then and you are just makign up a meaningless anolgy, did you actually think I would fall for that?

    the regulation isnt needed thats way its not already put in place by the medical professionals lol
    also hospital admission isnt need to address complications, if theres a complication she can be admitted to any hospital she wants the doctor just cant do it directly himself because he isnt considered a staff member, thats it
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I think you are missing a critical detail. In order to get admitting privileges, a place has to utilize the hospital at least so many times a year. Apparently most clinics don't meet that criteria because they don't have a high enough number of screw ups. So to meet the criteria they would have to lower their rate of safe, uncomplicated abortions, and raise the number requiring hospitalization. Now what f'ing gov't has the right to invade my privacy, make me pay for unnecessary ultrasounds, and then tell my provider that he/she has to lower his/her success rate???? I mean really, puullleeeeazeee.
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't care about your anecdotal experience. You're the one claiming exclusive knowledge to start with. There could be complications with an eye exam, but that hardly compares to surgery - a fact every physician will tell you is serious business. Besides, this is invasive surgery, to say the least, no matter how much you seek to minimize it or characterize it as something less than what it is. Again, it's only serious if it happens to you, and the effort to make this removing a spec from one's eye is completely unconvincing. If you're not in favor of those offering surgical services offering a safe means of dealing with complications you should just say so.
    You don't support ER availability for eye exams! You don't want eye exams to be safe? Just say so!

    Look, you're the one arguing for the government to dictate a medical procedure. It's not up to me to prove it's not necessary. It's up to you to prove that it is.

    At least one freaking opinion from an actual medical professional would be a good place to start.
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No, have you? I don't have to have experienced having a foreign object forced into my vagina against my will to understand the concept of rape.
    Watched my wife get these done on a weekly basis. Its really small and allows them to get a great view of the ovaries and uterus. Its also the only way to detect a ectopic pregnancy, which normally do not respond to abortion drugs(Methotrexate), and require surgery.

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    correct this is true
    Do you have the rules for each hospital in Wisconsin to show that the statement is true?

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i think they are making all these extreme abortion laws in order for one to make it to the supreme court and have the court strike down roe vrs wade
    Most election districts are so partisan one way or the other, that 90+% of elections to legislatures is decided in the primary election, not the general election. If a Republican district, the legislative elections will be decided in the Republican Primary and any Democrat opposition is merely token and known to fail.

    The religious rightwing and social conservatives overwhelmingly dominate in Republican majority districts. Therefore, whatever the want - whether realistic, rational or Constitutional -that is what the Republican legislative candidates will promise and what the incumbents will vote for in office. Most don't care about abortion or Roe V. Wade. They care about themselves and winning their primary elections. That is the motive. Winning elections and re-elections.

    It is only circumstantial to this for such laws being challenged in federal court. Voters, Republican or Democrat, never hold it against a politician if he votes for a law that is struck down in Court. Rather, the politician declares that proves he/she is "principled" and won't "surrender his beliefs" to unelected federal judges.

    So if federal courts over and over and over strike down such laws as unconstitutional? They will not decide their official does not respect the Constitution. Instead, the Republican primary voters hold their palms to the sky declaring "Praise Jesus! We have a God-fearing legislator!"

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So if federal courts over and over and over strike down such laws as unconstitutional? They will not decide their official does not respect the Constitution. Instead, the Republican primary voters hold their palms to the sky declaring "Praise Jesus! We have a God-fearing legislator!"
    Which is really what the abortion "debate" is all about. The GOP needed a wedge issue to score the Christian vote, as their economic policies clearly fall in opposition to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Same-sex marriage accomplishes this also.
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Do you have the rules for each hospital in Wisconsin to show that the statement is true?
    the statement is true and well known and is EXACTLY way other restrictions like these in other states of lost because it shuts down to many clinics and is too restrictive. And if you actually know about this case also you will see the complaints are that too many clinics will have to shut down. Why? they wont be able to get admitting privileges. It is the main reason for the judge agreeing to block this by court order. Have you not read any of the articles for Wisconsin and Texas etc. If this was not the case why would any clinics shut down.

    also it doesnt work that way for "each hospital"
    admitting privileges are already a regulated thing by MEDICAL community, they arent new and thats how they work.

    heres one article you should read that has some info:
    Judge Blocks New Wisconsin Abortion Law - ABC News


    most abortions do not entail complications that would require a hospital visit, the lawsuit contends, many abortion doctors do not have admitting privileges at a local hospital, which are typically available only to physicians who can provide a minimum number of annual patient referrals.
    nice try
    feel free to use something called google and you will find much more info
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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Watched my wife get these done on a weekly basis. Its really small and allows them to get a great view of the ovaries and uterus. Its also the only way to detect a ectopic pregnancy, which normally do not respond to abortion drugs(Methotrexate), and require surgery.
    I presume your wife was a willing participant? A woman who is forcibly penetrated by a foreign object against her will is not a willing participant. You do understand the difference, do you not?

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    Re: Federal judge temporarily blocks new Wisconsin abortion law..................[W:4

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Deuce.

    How convenient for those contemplating abortion! Perhaps in the early stages of a pregnancy, when it's just a cluster of cells, that perception might be correct, but what do they call it when it's a late term abortion, and ultrasound shows that it looks like a human being, or even an abortion that produces a baby that is born live?

    BTW, I have no argument with those that favor abortion--that is their decision to make for whatever reasons they may have. And this topic has been argued for years. It's just not a road I would want to take, based on any government decision. That should be between a woman and her doctor! :
    The problem is that the the Government DOES want to make a decision, and more times than not, it is to come between the woman and her doctor, by making decisions for the doctor.
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