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    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News

    Nearly 250 female inmates were sterilized in California prisons without state approval, a shocking new report has found. Some women accuse doctors of pressuring them, including one woman who was already strapped down and sedated.


    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Its not correct to say they were "forced" to be sterilized, as force was not used in this instance. Rather, it is an example of government agents using their positions of authority to pressure individuals in an unacceptable manner. The potential for abuse from government based sterilization was demonstrated during the eugenics era and there needs to be safeguards to prevent abuse. Prisoners are especially vulnerable given their situation.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News



    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?
    Without signatures of informed consent, acknowledging that they knew they didn't have to be sterilized, this is a clear violation of the rights of those women. We've already been there done that as a nation. I don't care how any doctor views it, neither he nor any official of the state, has a right to sterilize inmates without their full and informed consent.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News



    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?
    Gotta love the headline. Without State approval. Individual approval, apparently, being less of a consideration.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

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    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News



    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?
    In what situations does the state "approve" of sterilization?

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    " I " approve of sterilization, but in no way forced .

    Give these women an option or two and you can cut back on abortions and children growing up in poverty with ex-con parents.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News



    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?


    So courts and judges should simply allow an unemployed woman who in court proclaims "if you don't stop me I'm going to have 10 kids" to do it?


    This is exactly what you're arguing.



    By the way, I don't assume this needs mentioning among the rational, but this is absolutely wonderful news. These judges should get 100k bonuses for each sterilization.


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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Reading the entire article, the process doesn't sound as ominous as the OP would have us believe. Most of the women quoted in the article were women who had 6 or 7 children already, at least one was a repeat-offender addict, and I suspect that most or all of the children of women who were asked to consent to the procedure already had children in foster care because of their own addiction and imprisonment. All but one of the women had agreed to the procedure... I'm presuming they signed consent forms... and the one clearly illegal example is of the women who had twice refused but was pressured during her C-section while under sedation.

    To be brutally honest, when repeat offenders and drug addicts pop out a half-dozen kids being raised by taxpayers, if I were a physician I'd try to talk them into the procedure too.

    We're not being given a fully-honest, completely-factual representation. No woman should be forced against her will, but I'd certainly be in favor of court orders for such for women who have repeatedly born children who were neglected, abused, born addicted, or taken by the state due to parental incompetence. Not a popular opinion I'm sure, but it's what I feel.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Doesn't surprise me one bit. You have tons of people that want to cut off a rapists nuts or force them to take a shot their rest of their lives to keep them chemically castrated. You have others that want to sterilize children, so they can't get anyone pregnant. And you have others that want to sterilize women for a large array of reasons ranging from having to many kids to simply being irresponsible. It doesn't surprise me with all these crazy assholes running around that some of them are in the government actually doing it to people.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    So courts and judges should simply allow an unemployed woman who in court proclaims "if you don't stop me I'm going to have 10 kids" to do it?
    Yes.

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