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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I'm all for this, depending on the crime. In addition, I'd like many others not yet in prison to be sterilized.
    Hm.
    I might be beginning to agree with you.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I'm all for this, depending on the crime.
    So only for petty crimes then, since the hardcore ones dont get out..?

    In addition, I'd like many others not yet in prison to be sterilized.
    YEA!... lets do it to orphans from minorities, criminal minorities, the insane or mentally handicapped... and how about bankers and politicians and those sneaky Muslims and Jews and certain Christian sects?

    No one should be forced or coerced into sterilization ever... we did this for most of the 20th century and its barbaric and will be abused by sick people.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " I " approve of sterilization, but in no way forced .

    Give these women an option or two and you can cut back on abortions and children growing up in poverty with ex-con parents.
    My solution is this.

    If a woman comes in an applies for social services due to a child conceived, that a condition of the use of "other people's money" requires her and the father to have their tubes tied.

    Now of course, there would be reasonable exceptions in place but if a couple is to be irresponsible or unlucky and have birth control fail, without the means to support the child themselves, then shouldn't we protect the people's money from having to incur such a cost again?

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Btw "Libertarian Left" has to be the most contradictory political ID I've ever seen.
    Yep.

    I hav't heard a reason for that label I agree with yet.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito
    Iím not advocating the woman have the children. I think it is foolish for her to keep having children. I am saying the State should not have the authority to force an adult to undergo a surgical procedure.
    So what's your solution to keep her from having more at the states expense?
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    No, illogical would be if I claimed to want to live in a free society while at the same time advocating that the State should has dominion over our bodies.
    Then maybe the state should not pay for the support you think?

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Do they also force male inmates to be sterilized so they do not continue procreating?
    Generally, it was something that was infamously thrust on the women, but yes, men had been sterilized too. This was where the intersection of the disabled, the poor, homosexuals, and the non-white felt the thrust of government and the professional classes. This is why the following thought is wrong-headed:

    I can find nothing wrong with the concept, only the execution. Everything has been done badly before and everything is a slippery slope. So, no changes should ever be made in anything because everything leads somewhere bad?

    Look at what your government is up to now simply because the technology exists to do it. If only we hadn't invented cameras or the internet, we'd be so much more free. So, for my postulations, I presume it will be done correctly and that it will advance society, not impair it.
    Speck thinks that crime has no social component to it, but it does. That was why poor white or colored women were all too frequently thrust into the label of delinquent and feeble-minded. Both of those labels were scientifically assumed to lead to rape, petty crimes, murder, and just overall mental deficiencies spread to future generations. That was why society's undesirables were among the first to be targeted for the procedure, and that the technology of bureaucracy allowed for a systematized attack on them. Even prior to government authorization, professionals took it upon themselves to consider that these actions were needed to advance society, that at the very least, not allowing consent (or obscuring it through unrelated questions, or perhaps just pressure) in this one case would save the life of a child not yet born under conditions deemed bad. With the government on their side, it was open season, and only really became a thing of the past by the 1960s. However, cases still exist today, and society largely may not want to protest unless it involves accepted protected classes. If it involves those under gray areas, you will find a number of people willing to do it for society and for the next born. Criminals, the mentally or physically disabled, perhaps those who are homosexual, and so forth, it somehow seems more acceptable to go to this radical step.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Guess the eugenics attitude of the early 20th century is still alive and well on the right.
    And on the Left. Even when they pretend to care about the supposed minority in question, you'll might find those who fall for the "compassion" of neo-eugenics to be just as disgusting.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    While I do agree that what they did was ****ed up - this doesn't really make me feel bad. Instead, it strengthens my views held in regard to poverty and pregnancy:

    "As soon as he found out that I had five kids, he suggested that I look into getting it done," Christina Cordero, a former inmate at Valley State Prison, said of the institution's OB-GYN Dr. James Heinrich.

    "The closer I got to my due date, the more he talked about it. He made me feel like a bad mother if I didn't do it," the 34-year-old who spent two years behind bars for auto theft said. "Today, I wish I would have never had it done."
    Nikki Montano, a pregnant mother-of-six when incarcerated in 2008 for burglary, forgery and receiving stolen property while battling drug addiction, had the procedure done after the birth of her seventh child.
    She said she was never told why it was being done but agreed to it when asked.
    They ARE in fact ****ty mothers - 5 kids, 6 kids and they don't want to be sterilized? They want to continue to have more because at child 3, poor, and living in a shack they didn't feel it was enough? Did they care to use birth control? They can't tell me their illegal activities supported the family adequately, either. And whose looking out for the kids while they are in prison? THE STATE.

    I often argue that, though we're animals, we're not ensnared by our nature to reproduce - but women like this really make me wonder.

    I just can't feel bad for them - I can't. Yeesh.

    When you don't make the RIGHT choices for yourself someone else WILL do that for you. I cannot really hold it against California. Sorry - I can understand their decision completely, though it violate one form of rights - not doing so enables these mothers to just be ****ing retarded idiots.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So only for petty crimes then, since the hardcore ones dont get out..?



    YEA!... lets do it to orphans from minorities, criminal minorities, the insane or mentally handicapped... and how about bankers and politicians and those sneaky Muslims and Jews and certain Christian sects?

    No one should be forced or coerced into sterilization ever... we did this for most of the 20th century and its barbaric and will be abused by sick people.
    The difference is I'm not looking at it thru faulty eugenics theory, but as population control and weeding out the millions of would-be awful parents out there. A lot of prisoners breed like mad when they get out, which benefits no one. I'm talking about this generation, not removing 'bad genes' from the species. However, your banker and politicians proposals are very tempting as well....

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

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    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News



    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?



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