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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    I can find nothing wrong with the concept, only the execution. Everything has been done badly before and everything is a slippery slope. So, no changes should ever be made in anything because everything leads somewhere bad?

    Look at what your government is up to now simply because the technology exists to do it. If only we hadn't invented cameras or the internet, we'd be so much more free. So, for my postulations, I presume it will be done correctly and that it will advance society, not impair it.

    Crime is a true melting pot so at least no single race or creed will be chosen.



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    We already did exactly that and it lead to disastrous consequences.
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    Have you ever cracked a history book? Every attempt to "improve society" through government sterilization has lead to atrocities. There is no debate on whether its a slippery slope when you can see the mangled bodies of the last group of idiots who took that path. The state cannot be trusted with such power as abuse is inevitable.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    The fewer children these women have will be a gift to society. I'd like to see them offer reduced sentences in exchange for male or female sterilization. Anything that will reduce the exponential growth those least able to produce decent children.
    I am sorry, but it is the land of the free, right? I am all for promoting people to stop having untold numbers of kids, but blackmailing them with reduced sentences for sterilization, that is just immoral.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I can find nothing wrong with the concept, only the execution. Everything has been done badly before and everything is a slippery slope. So, no changes should ever be made in anything because everything leads somewhere bad?

    Look at what your government is up to now simply because the technology exists to do it. If only we hadn't invented cameras or the internet, we'd be so much more free. So, for my postulations, I presume it will be done correctly and that it will advance society, not impair it.

    Crime is a true melting pot so at least no single race or creed will be chosen.
    The state having the power to remove peoples bodily function is allowing the state to impede on the bodily functions of their citizens. To say that a decidedly coercive and frankly an immoral choice to offer someone that leads to loss of bodily function is fine because they might not commit further crimes or they will have no further children is simply saying it's fine to have the state bully its citizens in giving up their bodily functions. That does nothing to improve society.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Do they also force male inmates to be sterilized so they do not continue procreating?

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    For me this depends on how they go about practicing this. If they are going up to offenders who have a history of crime and a lot of births and saying to them they can offer them tubal ligation to help so they don't have anymore kids they cannot care for, I am not terribly bothered by that. I am also not terribly bothered by the guilt prison moms might have because of their poor choices and the way their life is going. In my mind they should feel guilty for screwing over their children with their poor decisions. I do not blame the state for their guilt. However, if the state is bribing them or coercing them to have it then they need to stop doing the bribing and coercion. If the women feel guilty, as they should, and make a choice to not bring children into this world they cannot take care of, and we offer them a solution while they are incarcerated to lower society's costs of welfare and other social services that come into play when these women get out and have more kids, I am pretty good with that.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Do they also force male inmates to be sterilized so they do not continue procreating?
    I would be up for them offering to do that for prisoners who have a problem with impregnating women and creating children they cannot pay for.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess they shouldn't have ****ed up and got sent to the joint.

    Won't this save money becaue they won't be spitting out puppies that we have to support? I mean, that's the argument used to support tax payer funded abortion.
    You don't believe this crap. do you?

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    I'm all for this, depending on the crime. In addition, I'd like many others not yet in prison to be sterilized.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Do they also force male inmates to be sterilized so they do not continue procreating?
    Of course not.... that would be immoral and illegal because it involves men...
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    You don't believe this crap. do you?
    He does. Not the first time I have heard this from right wingers... in the US and in Europe. Guess the eugenics attitude of the early 20th century is still alive and well on the right.
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