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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Yes.

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    Lol. Libertarian advocating the creation of 10 welfare children..



    And that is why Libertarians are an illogical group and will stay that way. On the fringes where they belong. Making no sense to anyone but themselves.



    Btw "Libertarian Left" has to be the most contradictory political ID I've ever seen.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Lol. Libertarian advocating the creation of 10 welfare children..
    I’m not advocating the woman have the children. I think it is foolish for her to keep having children. I am saying the State should not have the authority to force an adult to undergo a surgical procedure.

    And that is why Libertarians are an illogical group and will stay that way. On the fringes where they belong. Making no sense to anyone but themselves.
    No, illogical would be if I claimed to want to live in a free society while at the same time advocating that the State should has dominion over our bodies.



    Btw "Libertarian Left" has to be the most contradictory political ID I've ever seen.
    Unfortunately most Americans are not familiar with the traditional definition of libertarianism or the definition used by most of the world and assume it is what the Libertarian Party platform states. Since a sizeable portion of the membership of this forum are Americans (I am as well) I use the lean “Libertarian-Left” to differentiate myself from the Americanized version of the definition. Do a little reading on the subject. You might find it interesting.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In what situations does the state "approve" of sterilization?
    When it's done to someone in a prison
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Lol. Libertarian advocating the creation of 10 welfare children..
    Sarcogito has explained themselves fine enough already, but is said woman has 10 children, then she and not welfare takes care of those 10 children.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval - NY Daily News



    Seriously......

    Forcing inmates to be sterilized... is this Nazi Germany or 1930s US? Nope.. that was 2 years ago... wtf!?
    I guess they shouldn't have ****ed up and got sent to the joint.

    Won't this save money becaue they won't be spitting out puppies that we have to support? I mean, that's the argument used to support tax payer funded abortion.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Iím not advocating the woman have the children. I think it is foolish for her to keep having children. I am saying the State should not have the authority to force an adult to undergo a surgical procedure.
    Ideally, yes, but children have rights, and if the only way the children's rights can be protected and needs be met is for the State to be the guardian (of each next baby), the State should have a say, frankly, since the state is the guardian, and the guardian should have the say.

    No, illogical would be if I claimed to want to live in a free society while at the same time advocating that the State should has dominion over our bodies.
    There's nothing logical about suggesting sterilization equals "dominion over our bodies." And in the case of this story, it's not really clear there's any lack of consent.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    California can't seem to give up forced sterilizations. It's like they are addicted to it and want to keep remaining on top of most sterilizations in the nation's history.
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its not correct to say they were "forced" to be sterilized, as force was not used in this instance. Rather, it is an example of government agents using their positions of authority to pressure individuals in an unacceptable manner. The potential for abuse from government based sterilization was demonstrated during the eugenics era and there needs to be safeguards to prevent abuse. Prisoners are especially vulnerable given their situation.
    Yes, because only physical force is valid when it comes to "forcing" someone to have something done.

    Ever heard of undue pressure? Mental blackmail? These are not incredibly smart women (well most of them won't be), they are people who do stupid crime and who most likely won't have had a decent education and who can be pressured or browbeaten into something by a smart "salesperson" (in this case a doctor).
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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess they shouldn't have ****ed up and got sent to the joint.

    Won't this save money becaue they won't be spitting out puppies that we have to support? I mean, that's the argument used to support tax payer funded abortion.
    There is a reason that argument is complete tripe, apst. This is a wonderful example of just where that argument leads.

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    Re: Nearly 250 female inmates sterilized in California prisons without state approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is a reason that argument is complete tripe, apst. This is a wonderful example of just where that argument leads.
    Hence the reason I used it, my friend. As I've pointed out many times, "for the public good", has been used an excuse to strip people of their rights for centuries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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