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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    So what are you doing then? You're just going to run around making cryptic comments with formula's from who knows where claiming things and if anyone questions you this is your response? That you just know it all and don't need to share with the rest of the class? That is not very productive.
    I have a bachelors in Earth Science. No, that doesn't mean that I'm an expert in climate science and doesn't make me an authority on this subject at all but it does give me the ability to recognize the language that Lord of Planer is speaking. There is nothing "cryptic" about it at all.
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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Oh yes, the ole, "we have flatlined" deception.
    What you are refusing to say is that the 10 hottest years on record have occured post 1998. Instead, you laughingly choose to sugar coat it by saying we are flat. Talk about complete and utter denial. Tsk, tsk.

    But let me help you out. Look how each decade is hotter than the previous. Wow, pretty telling, eh? So ****ing fess up and admit that the world has been steadily warming since the dawn of the industrial age. And not only that, but we seem to be getting hotter much quicker, too.

    1880–1889 −0.274 C (−0.493 F)

    1890–1899 −0.254 C (−0.457 F)

    1900–1909 −0.259 C (−0.466 F)

    1910–1919 −0.276 C (−0.497 F)

    1920–1929 −0.175 C (−0.315 F)

    1930–1939 −0.043 C (−0.0774 F)

    1940–1949 0.035 C (0.0630 F)

    1950–1959 −0.02 C (−0.0360 F)

    1960–1969 −0.014 C (−0.0252 F)

    1970–1979 −0.001 C (−0.00180 F)

    1980–1989 0.176 C (0.317 F)

    1990–1999 0.313 C (0.563 F)

    2000–2009 0.513 C (0.923 F)
    OMG...

    Why can't people understand why we can be at a decade+ flat period, and still see record temperatures? If after I explain this, and you still use that lame argument, I will just have to shake my head.

    Each of those periods you listed are averages. Averages include values greater than and values less than the average. Any decade with the highest average, will statistically have most of the highest temperatures as well.

    The stock market often uses language like "past performance does not guarantee future performance." Well guess what. Typically, we can expect such trends to continue, but only if we understand the trend we are looking at.

    There have been three distinct increases on solar activity. I normally only mention two, the ones from about 1713 to 1780, and from about 1900 to about 1950. however, following the first increase, was a decrease from about 1790 to about 1810, and another increase from about 1820 to about 1840. Now any effects the sun has also has lag times of at least 4 decades to see the majority of change it causes.

    I will suggest you do not discount the possibility that the last increase ending about 1950 has finally run it's course. The whole basis that temperatures will continue is based on the fantasy that CO2 is the primary driver of temperature change. If the primary driver of temperature change is the sun, then counting on CO2 increases is wrong...

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    ^^^ See, Lord of Planar?

    LOL, you make my point well. Keep your head in the sand, Erod.
    Yes, we had a notable cooling. My opinion is it was caused by solar reflective aerosols, that we have pretty much cleaned up since the formation of the EPA. Since then, it allowed the natural solar increase changes to continue, and increased the natural lag time to see the full extent of the increases.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I have a bachelors in Earth Science. No, that doesn't mean that I'm an expert in climate science and doesn't make me an authority on this subject at all but it does give me the ability to recognize the language that Lord of Planer is speaking. There is nothing "cryptic" about it at all.
    I didn't look back far enough in quotes to see where that data came from is part of what I was getting at, I know what math is . The cryptic part is Planar sort of talks in a hard to follow manner about various things, its almost as though it is intentionally obfuscated.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What people don't seem to understand is how most
    disciplines can be easily applied to others. take fluid dynamics vs. electronics for example. Flow is current, pressure is volts, etc.

    Amplifiers...

    Feedback...

    Consider the greenhouse gasses as a positive feedback. The greenhouse gas is a nonlinear gain control that varies with concentration, but your output is nearly proportional to your input. I have talked to a climate scientist that had the "oh-sh--" realization when I was able to explain that to him. They are simply not taught to think like that. The education is based in the belief it is CO2 as the primary problem.
    Many years ago as 13 year old learning the fundamentals of electricity I had a science teacher that used the water analogy to help us conceptualize the flow of electrons.

    Although it's more analogous with DC than AC and it's function as a teaching tool stops pretty quickly once you get into electronics and waveforms.

    Poor Edison, he was punked by his apprentice.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    They've acknowledged it plays a role and the question is does it play a very minor role or a moderate role. What are you trying to prove? This doesn't "debunk" anything, it is simply another factor to be considered.
    really now...

    They lie by omission, and you wish me to take their word on any of it? They still claim a "very low level of understanding" yet solar scientists will say otherwise. They have at least increased the assessments for black carbon in the AR5. Why not, it's an AGW component. However, they would have to reduce other warming agents too much or increase cooling agents too much if they actually shows the indirect solar effects as well. Claiming they don't understand the sun is an easy excuse to just include the direct forcing.


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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    So what are you doing then? You're just going to run around making cryptic comments with formula's from who knows where claiming things and if anyone questions you this is your response? That you just know it all and don't need to share with the rest of the class? That is not very productive.
    Why not? If you are truly interested in the truth, you will take time to understand enough of the sciences to understand my points. If all you do is believe what the flat earth society experts say, then you are a lost cause.

    Think for yourself...

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I didn't look back far enough in quotes to see where that data came from is part of what I was getting at, I know what math is . The cryptic part is Planar sort of talks in a hard to follow manner about various things, its almost as though it is intentionally obfuscated.
    I was never good as a technical writer. I always aced all technical courses, but was bad in grammar, spelling, etc. in school.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I was never good as a technical writer. I always aced all technical courses, but was bad in grammar, spelling, etc. in school.

    Apparently you didnt do real well with logic and critical thinking courses either.

    The best minds in the world who have been studying this as a career have no doubts that CAGW is real and significant. This has been compiled with hundreds of studies and computer models which have nailed the warming pattern over the last 30 years better than we could have ever expected.

    The current period of a 'plateau' of warming (i.e. we are equaling the warmest temperatures in the last 10,000 years this decade, but not exceeding them) can be at least partially be explained by variations in solar irradiance (the sun is at the lowest level of irrradiance in decades Deep Solar Minimum - NASA Science ) and the fact that the heat tends to be more pronouced in the oceans and in melting ice, which is clearly happening at a rapid rate.

    The earth is warming. Not a matter of dispute among scientists.
    The earth is warming at an unprecedented rate in human history. Also not really a matter of dispute.
    CO2 is causing at least some of the warming, if not the majority. Not in dispute.
    Pouring gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere in the future will worsen global warming. Not in dispute.
    What to do about it? Thats in dispute, although there is no disputing that continuting to pour CO2 into the atmosphere is a bad idea.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Why not? If you are truly interested in the truth, you will take time to understand enough of the sciences to understand my points. If all you do is believe what the flat earth society experts say, then you are a lost cause.

    Think for yourself...
    Well I don't know a tremendous amount about climate science and I'd guess that >99% of the posters on this forum don't possess the ability to debate these very specific details either. So I have to wonder who you are planning to debate with? I'm sure plenty will claim to be highly competent, but I think that is more just to stroke their ego.

    I have a strong general scientific understanding and master in computer science, but not climate science. Mostly I just post on this forum to combat the crazies who think the whole thing is a complete lie with no scientific merit whatsoever, you know that is not the truth.

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