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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Show your evidence of this with links please, that dispute the mainstream findings on this.
    There are so few links that anyone who is a true believer accepts as evidence. I'm not in the habbit of justifying everything I've learned with links that i would have to take time to look up. If you are google educated, thenIi would expect that is whay you ask. You want a "google war."

    I understand the sciences. I don't need someone who links material to tell me what to think, and if the people reading my words cannot follow from lack of understanding the sciences, then what will links prove?
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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Cool...


    I too have a broad experience. I was an Engineering Technician when CMP was new, having to know some good chemistry, mechanics, electronics, computers, and other disciplines in what at the time, was secretive, proprietary, and revolutionized the semiconductor industry. I started working in '75 as a simple mechanic, '81 as an electronic technician, and job experience and qualifications brought me into the automation world. I had to learn several disciplines over the years, and just because I don't have a degree in the climate sciences, doesn't mean I can't rasp it well.
    Thats awesome.

    There are a few of us geeks in a lab, surrounded by High def multi- channel o-scopes, spectral analyzers and power supplies, plus some home built rigs to hack into various PCB front ends and the odd memory chip.

    Allot of what we do is component level, Surface mounted stuff, hard on the eyes.

    I also work on VFDs and Inverters, do power quality analysis for some big industrial plants that run allot of inverters.

    I have some old hardware at home, tubes amplifiers and stuff that is before my time but still fascinates me..
    Its all the same, manipulating electrons.

    Iv'e always wanted a actual Krytron, a 50's era tube.

    Verax is your typical blow hard, when it comes down to it they slink away into the ta grass.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Who does that? I haven't noticed any. Who did i miss?

    The claims I've seen are that the last decade+, we are effectively flat in the trend, and that warming is real, but by natural variation rather than by man. Now you have to twist what people day to talk about them saying that global warming is false.
    Oh yes, the ole, "we have flatlined" deception.
    What you are refusing to say is that the 10 hottest years on record have occured post 1998. Instead, you laughingly choose to sugar coat it by saying we are flat. Talk about complete and utter denial. Tsk, tsk.

    But let me help you out. Look how each decade is hotter than the previous. Wow, pretty telling, eh? So ****ing fess up and admit that the world has been steadily warming since the dawn of the industrial age. And not only that, but we seem to be getting hotter much quicker, too.

    18801889 −0.274 C (−0.493 F)

    18901899 −0.254 C (−0.457 F)

    19001909 −0.259 C (−0.466 F)

    19101919 −0.276 C (−0.497 F)

    19201929 −0.175 C (−0.315 F)

    19301939 −0.043 C (−0.0774 F)

    19401949 0.035 C (0.0630 F)

    19501959 −0.02 C (−0.0360 F)

    19601969 −0.014 C (−0.0252 F)

    19701979 −0.001 C (−0.00180 F)

    19801989 0.176 C (0.317 F)

    19901999 0.313 C (0.563 F)

    20002009 0.513 C (0.923 F)
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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Fossil fuels account for 9 Trillion dollars a year. That's 15% of the world economy. The money they've spent attacking legitimate climate science has added an additional 75 Billion dollars in profits. In contrast, our planet spends less than 4 billion dollars annually on climate science.

    Where do you think the money is?
    Industry vs. scientists who profits from climate disruption? | Scholars and Rogues
    I seen data that shows even more money is granted by politicians to keep AGW research ongoing.

    Isn't it possible that the oil industry, for the funding that they do in this realm, is legitimate protection from lies?

    I know, you will dismiss anything the "evil" oil companies do, right?

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Then why the **** is it so freakin' hard for some here to admit that we've been steadily warming since the birth of the industrial age??? For ****'s sake, own it... the evidence is easier to figure out than a 3 piece puzzle.
    Not steadily. We've warmed and cooled along the way.

    The point is, it's irrelevant. There's NOTHING we can do about it anyway. A plague or an asteriod will blow mankind off the planet far sooner than anything like climate change.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Not steadily. We've warmed and cooled along the way.
    ^^^ See, Lord of Planar?

    LOL, you make my point well. Keep your head in the sand, Erod.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Break that down please:


    They just acknowledged that the greenhouse gasses amplify the solar changes, without saying it. With no change in greenhouse gas concentrations, the radiative downforce caused by greenhouse gasses, approximately increases proportional to solar changes. What they claim for greenhouse gas increases are primarily solar changes that they hijacked into the CO2, CH4, etc. This is where the "idirect" solar effect is.
    They've acknowledged it plays a role and the question is does it play a very minor role or a moderate role. What are you trying to prove? This doesn't "debunk" anything, it is simply another factor to be considered.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You know, it's rather silly of you to claim that Solar variance is already "accounted for" and then quote an article that specifically points out that there is significant disagreement on the point.
    Yes it has been accounted for as a factor in the grand scheme of climate change, this is how science works. Are you suggesting it debunks anything?

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There are a few of us geeks in a lab...
    What people don't seem to understand is how most disciplines can be easily applied to others. take fluid dynamics vs. electronics for example. Flow is current, pressure is volts, etc.

    Amplifiers...

    Feedback...

    Consider the greenhouse gasses as a positive feedback. The greenhouse gas is a nonlinear gain control that varies with concentration, but your output is nearly proportional to your input. I have talked to a climate scientist that had the "oh-sh--" realization when I was able to explain that to him. They are simply not taught to think like that. The education is based in the belief it is CO2 as the primary problem.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There are so few links that anyone who is a true believer accepts as evidence. I'm not in the habbit of justifying everything I've learned with links that i would have to take time to look up. If you are google educated, thenIi would expect that is whay you ask. You want a "google war."

    I understand the sciences. I don't need someone who links material to tell me what to think, and if the people reading my words cannot follow from lack of understanding the sciences, then what will links prove?
    So what are you doing then? You're just going to run around making cryptic comments with formula's from who knows where claiming things and if anyone questions you this is your response? That you just know it all and don't need to share with the rest of the class? That is not very productive.

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