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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American, despite the slam dunk evidence, some members here even refuse to admit that the planet is warming!
    Who does that? I haven't noticed any. Who did i miss?

    The claims I've seen are that the last decade+, we are effectively flat in the trend, and that warming is real, but by natural variation rather than by man. Now you have to twist what people day to talk about them saying that global warming is false.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope. I've been reading the literature since the late 1980s and it's only become more advocacy than science over the years. The biggest trouble with the AGW theory is that it has failed to match real world data while the solar variance model predicted bother the mid 90s spike and the current lul.

    You have to be insane to cast out the more reliable model for the less reliable one, but I have watched so many do just that. The only conclusion I can come to after watching this for decades is that a lot of people simply WANT the AGW theory to be right, and others have laid their career on the line for AGW and NEED it to be right.
    What literature is this? Which models are you talking about?

    Any of these?
    Climate Dynamics - incl. option to publish open access
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    International Journal of Climatology - Wiley Online Library
    Theoretical and Applied Climatology - incl. option to publish open access
    Inter Research*»*Journals*»*CR*»*CR Home

    Or more of these:
    The Institute for Creation Research

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    If you were smart and read the literature you would know the evidence strongly supports AGW and you would know the snake oil salesmen are the fossil fuel corporations and their bought off politicians.
    What I see is multifacited.

    1) AGW is a political tool.

    2) The sciences are being tagugh wrong in this field. Meny scientists think they are right, others just know where the gravey comes from.

    3) Most research and grant money available is to support beyond doubt, AGW, which they still have not done to proper scientific standards.

    If numbers are your game, then think again. Dozens of wolves and a few sheep vote on what's for dinner...

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

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    Iv'e got 30 years of electronic, avionic and applied PLC programming and power correction experience...
    Cool...

    I too have a broad experience. I was an Engineering Technician when CMP was new, having to know some good chemistry, mechanics, electronics, computers, and other disciplines in what at the time, was secretive, proprietary, and revolutionized the semiconductor industry. I started working in '75 as a simple mechanic, '81 as an electronic technician, and job experience and qualifications brought me into the automation world. I had to learn several disciplines over the years, and just because I don't have a degree in the climate sciences, doesn't mean I can't rasp it well.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

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    Solar variation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    This has been explained repeatedly but you guys keep saying the same thing over and over as though it hasn't already been accounted for.

    Break that down please:
    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Assessment Report (TAR) concluded that the measured magnitude of recent solar variation is much smaller than the amplification effect due to greenhouse gases but acknowledges in the same report that there is a low level of scientific understanding with respect to solar variation.[57][58]
    They just acknowledged that the greenhouse gasses amplify the solar changes, without saying it. With no change in greenhouse gas concentrations, the radiative downforce caused by greenhouse gasses, approximately increases proportional to solar changes. What they claim for greenhouse gas increases are primarily solar changes that they hijacked into the CO2, CH4, etc. This is where the "idirect" solar effect is.

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    2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Cool...

    I too have a broad experience. I was an Engineering Technician when CMP was new, having to know some good chemistry, mechanics, electronics, computers, and other disciplines in what at the time, was secretive, proprietary, and revolutionized the semiconductor industry. I started working in '75 as a simple mechanic, '81 as an electronic technician, and job experience and qualifications brought me into the automation world. I had to learn several disciplines over the years, and just because I don't have a degree in the climate sciences, doesn't mean I can't rasp it well.
    I encourage you to publish your findings. Otherwise, its just piffle under a pseudonym.
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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I can tell you don't trust my ability to analyze the science even though the science in question isn't that complicated. However, I do trust my own ability, and that's all that counts.
    Could you give me a detailed explanation of the computer models used by universities and meteorological facilities to predict climate patterns and where exactly in the complex computer programming they got it wrong?
    Or what exactly the report I mentioned in my OP got wrong and which data is erroneous?

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    Worshiping at the feet of experts is something to be avoided.
    Do you take that attitude when visiting the Doctor? No-one said anything about worshiping experts, but when experts are almost universally in agreement, then chances are they are going to be right. They may not have all the exact details, but the overlying principle looks sound in those circumstances.

    But feel free to deny the consensus opinion. If you want to believe climatologists around the world have been involved in some sort of conspiracy theory for the last 30 years, then that's your business.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What I see is multifacited.

    1) AGW is a political tool.

    2) The sciences are being tagugh wrong in this field. Meny scientists think they are right, others just know where the gravey comes from.

    3) Most research and grant money available is to support beyond doubt, AGW, which they still have not done to proper scientific standards.

    If numbers are your game, then think again. Dozens of wolves and a few sheep vote on what's for dinner...
    1) Climate science has been politicized yes, it all started with the fossil fuel industry's propaganda campaign to discredit climate change as a weak hypothesis rather than a solid theory.

    2) Science is being taught wrong? So please tell me... who is teaching it right and where are they located? Who is teaching it wrong? Everybody in the mainstream? All universities? Please lets see some specifics for such a bold claim.

    3) Money corrupts huh? But only scientists that support climate change? Nobody else right? Undoubtedly it has some negative effects and is a problem but... are you suggesting it has poisoned the whole system to the point it cannot be trusted? The whole thing is a big corrupt conspiracy of lies and scientific whoring? Come on...

    Are you making me shepherds pie for dinner???

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American, despite the slam dunk evidence, some members here even refuse to admit that the planet is warming!
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What I see is multifacited.

    1) AGW is a political tool.

    2) The sciences are being tagugh wrong in this field. Meny scientists think they are right, others just know where the gravey comes from.

    3) Most research and grant money available is to support beyond doubt, AGW, which they still have not done to proper scientific standards.

    If numbers are your game, then think again. Dozens of wolves and a few sheep vote on what's for dinner...
    Fossil fuels account for 9 Trillion dollars a year. That's 15% of the world economy. The money they've spent attacking legitimate climate science has added an additional 75 Billion dollars in profits. In contrast, our planet spends less than 4 billion dollars annually on climate science.

    Where do you think the money is?
    Industry vs. scientists – who profits from climate disruption? | Scholars and Rogues

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Solar variation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This has been explained repeatedly but you guys keep saying the same thing over and over as though it hasn't already been accounted for.

    You know, it's rather silly of you to claim that Solar variance is already "accounted for" and then quote an article that specifically points out that there is significant disagreement on the point.

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