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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer. View Post
    Why are all the ACC deniers right wing?

    Is it because they don't want to be seen agreeing with the Democrat Al Gore?
    Is it because oil companies, who produce anti climate change propaganda because they want petrol to remain dominant, fund the GOP?
    I'd say its mostly because of the propaganda. They attack the entire food chain, anything suppressing fossil fuels, anything supporting alternative energy of ANY kind, electric cars. If you read Foxnews comments whenever there is an article on an electric car you will see the members going absolutely nuts about how its the worst thing ever.

    The other thing I would say is the implications of climate change, it requires a lot of effort (money) to fix. So rather than tackle the problem they'd prefer to pretend it doesn't exist and bury their head in the sand. This is very primitive and basic psychology, kind of funny that it plays out like this.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your moving the goal posts. The real debate has always been about AGW (man-made climate change), not about all other climate change. We climate change during the dinosaurs, no debates that.
    American, despite the slam dunk evidence, some members here even refuse to admit that the planet is warming!
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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because we are smart and actually read the literature before deciding rather than abdicate our own intellectual sovereignty to hucksters and snake oil salesmen.
    If you were smart and read the literature you would know the evidence strongly supports AGW and you would know the snake oil salesmen are the fossil fuel corporations and their bought off politicians.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer. View Post
    What are your qualifications when it comes to climatology? The telling phrase here is 'from what I can tell'. What can you tell exactly? How can you know if the methods don't support the theory if you're not an expert in the field? Why do the vast, vast majority of climatologists who've spent years researching climate change think the methods do support the theory?

    If you have proof that 90+% of climatologists are wrong, then feel free to publish a peer reviewed paper showing that the methods are wrong.
    If some of these "experts" who've spent years researching climate change really feel man is causing global warming (we're not) why do they come up with lie's to support their conclusions? Feel free to publish a peer reviewed paper explaining why it's necessary to believe a bunch of known liars. I can't come up with a reason to believe a single word they say or write. Are you receiving financial gain from this scam as so many others are?

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer. View Post
    What are your qualifications when it comes to climatology? The telling phrase here is 'from what I can tell'. What can you tell exactly? How can you know if the methods don't support the theory if you're not an expert in the field? Why do the vast, vast majority of climatologists who've spent years researching climate change think the methods do support the theory?
    I can tell you don't trust my ability to analyze the science even though the science in question isn't that complicated. However, I do trust my own ability, and that's all that counts.

    Worshiping at the feet of experts is something to be avoided.

    If you have proof that 90+% of climatologists are wrong, then feel free to publish a peer reviewed paper showing that the methods are wrong.
    Scientific articles that dispute the "consensus" on anthropogenic global warming are published a lot more often than you seem to think. My thoughts on the issue are hardly original.

    The ideas that 1) we aren't certain about how much human activity contributes to global warming; and 2) nothing that is financially or politically feasible can be done that will significantly affect climate trends; are well within the bounds of the current debate going on among climate scientists.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    If you were smart and read the literature you would know the evidence strongly supports AGW and you would know the snake oil salesmen are the fossil fuel corporations and their bought off politicians.
    Nope. I've been reading the literature since the late 1980s and it's only become more advocacy than science over the years. The biggest trouble with the AGW theory is that it has failed to match real world data while the solar variance model predicted bother the mid 90s spike and the current lul.

    You have to be insane to cast out the more reliable model for the less reliable one, but I have watched so many do just that. The only conclusion I can come to after watching this for decades is that a lot of people simply WANT the AGW theory to be right, and others have laid their career on the line for AGW and NEED it to be right.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American, despite the slam dunk evidence, some members here even refuse to admit that the planet is warming!
    It warms, it cools, it warms, and it cools.

    The earth was incredibly warm during medieval times. Must have been all the SUV jousting tournaments, I suppose.

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    This is why conservatives aren't scientists and do not possess the right mind for
    this kind of work. You're not able to differentiate between junk science and real science. You cannot differentiate between an oil company funding a "study" to promote views that are favorable to the individual company with centuries of scientific work brought together from nations across the globe by scientists of all different walks of life with a passion for discovery and knowledge.

    You chalk all this up to the simple formula that funding poisons the scientific process from start to finish in every situation so we can't trust anything they do. If you knew anything about real science you would realize how petty and ridiculous this is.
    But you can make broad brush subjective statements like ". Conservatives aren't scientist and do not possess the right mind for scientific work" ?

    A very unscientific and inaccurate analysis of a group of people.

    Iv'e got 30 years of electronic, avionic and applied PLC programming and power correction experience, things that I do on a day to day basis that would make your head spin, things I promise you just don't have the base IQ to comprehend and I'm a proud Conservative. What I make look easy would perpetually confound you as most of your ilk are so married to a corrupt ideology the chance for true objectivity is a lost option.

    When ever you want to test your percieved "higher intelligence" over mine I'm ready.

    I'll expose your limitiations in an instant.

    But I'm guessing like most liberals you'll crawfish away from this challenge. It's typical.
    The left has done more damage to the legitimate science of alternative energies by politicizing them than any Conservatuve group.

    Oh but wait, all we have to do is payup, more taxes on a imaginary construct called carbon credits and the world will be saved.

    Sorry youv'e been called on your BS, what did you expect ?

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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    The question of whether or not man made global warming is a reality is actually irrelevant when you think about it. If it is happening, then what can be done about it is the more important question. The "solutions" to date amount to moving us(meaning the United States) away from fossil fuels via taxation.

    Great. So we tax the **** out of fossil fuels and use that money to subsidize "green" energy. In the process, energy costs skyrocket, a few people who are already rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams get even richer because they already have their seats at the head table of the new Carbon Exchange reserved for them, and it has no effect on "climate change" because the developing economies like China and India have given the idea the middle finger and are burning oil and coal at higher and higher rates every single year.

    Whether or not man made global warming is real or not, people need to wake up to the reality that we are being pushed in the direction of a very bad idea that has no chance of solving anything. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, should support cap and trade. Liberal, conservative, believer, non-believer, this is just a bad idea and we will all end up poorer in the end.
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    Re: 2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    But you can make broad brush subjective statements like ". Conservatives aren't scientist and do not possess the right mind for scientific work" ?

    A very unscientific and inaccurate analysis of a group of people.

    Iv'e got 30 years of electronic, avionic and applied PLC programming and power correction experience, things that I do on a day to day basis that would make your head spin, things I promise you just don't have the base IQ to comprehend and I'm a proud Conservative. What I make look easy would perpetually confound you as most of your ilk are so married to a corrupt ideology the chance for true objectivity is a lost option.

    When ever you want to test your percieved "higher intelligence" over mine I'm ready.

    I'll expose your limitiations in an instant.

    But I'm guessing like most liberals you'll crawfish away from this challenge. It's typical.
    The left has done more damage to the legitimate science of alternative energies by politicizing them than any Conservatuve group.

    Oh but wait, all we have to do is payup, more taxes on a imaginary construct called carbon credits and the world will be saved.

    Sorry youv'e been called on your BS, what did you expect ?
    His entire argument was summed up a few posts ago. He hates big oil (and big corporations). Anything that attacks it, he supports.

    The argument for AGW is so full of holes, it's ridiculous. Even many of those "scientists" are losing their enthusiasm for it because they know they jumped to so many unscientifically proven assumptions, it's unbecoming of their profession.

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