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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So you're actually more interested in being a victim. Ratings were down, and so they cancelled her show. It ain't rocket science.

    Paula Deen's show ratings down before Food Network dismissal | Fox News

    It's really pretty basic. But I guess those reasons won't let you play the victim.
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    No, it's that Paula Deen's ratings were down and the Food Network wanted to change its programming focus. See my earlier post -- the source is Fox, so you won't even get to bitch about the source. Liberals weren't clamoring for her firing before they did it. Besides which, she wasn't "fired." Her contract was not renewed. That's a different thing altogether.
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    The free market gives a business the right to disassociate themselves with someone they feel hurts their image or their profit margin. Paula Deen's contract not being renewed was exactly that - the results of the "pocketbook vote."
    I guess I can stand by my original post. It's clear from reading the article that her ratings were already down, with no particular relationship to the uproar caused by her alleged racism. The network was just cutting their losses by not renewing her contract, choosing to go with more popular cooking competitions and reality shows. Seems this network wants to attract more younger viewers who are indoctrinated, rabid consumers so as to get more advertising options and income. Perfectly reasonable business decision.

    Soooo, I can stick to my basic concerns regarding free speech censorship in response to boycott threats from special interest groups, even though it appears Ms. Deen may not have been "canned" as a result of it.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Well you referred to him as Alec, like he was one of your friends.
    Nothing like derailing things with nonsensical assumptions, thanks.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Would you apply this same logic to the Zimmerman case

    He mentored black youth so he couldn't posible have stalked and killed Martin because he was black, like is so often reported.
    No because the zimmerman case is a case about murder and is not a civil suit or the termination of contracts. There is a huge difference in the evidence able to be presented in a criminal trial and the burden on the prosecution. Past actions are often left out of criminal trials unless by very limited circumstances. I would say in the mind of the public had zimmerman been active in racial issues and protesting it would probably be useful for him in some of the public's eye as Alec can claim, but in a trial it would really only apply to a hate crime statute which he is not being charged with as far as i am aware. The reality is that race should mean very little to the charges zimmerman faces as you could replace treyvon with another race and it would still be the same case. The public sees things much differently than the courts, and zimmerman would probably not have as much racially charged disgust coming his way had it been a white kid.

    The reality is the public can take it's own stance on these types of things. As we see with paula Deen and Zimmerman the prejudiced elements have really fired things up, where with Alec the public doesn't seem to have latched onto the prejudiced nature of his words. The public does not have guidelines and courts limiting their decisions regarding guilt so you pretty much have much different things that happen over criminal trials. There are probably reasons for this like Alec's noted rep for being a supporter of gay rights, and the reality that homophobia is still much more acceptable in the public's eye than racism, but this is why Paula's sponsors have decided she is poison in the long run despite the reality she did make some good sales on her book in the immediate sense. It is about perception and reputation in the public court where the legal courts have much stricter standards for guilt.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Alec's tweets are getting blown out of proportion.
    Is this another homophobic rant?

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I guess I can stand by my original post. It's clear from reading the article that her ratings were already down, with no particular relationship to the uproar caused by her alleged racism. The network was just cutting their losses by not renewing her contract, choosing to go with more popular cooking competitions and reality shows. Seems this network wants to attract more younger viewers who are indoctrinated, rabid consumers so as to get more advertising options and income. Perfectly reasonable business decision.

    Soooo, I can stick to my basic concerns regarding free speech censorship in response to boycott threats from special interest groups, even though it appears Ms. Deen may not have been "canned" as a result of it.
    paula had a very defined schtick which was cooking the most unhealthy and indulgent things. When she got hammered on her diabetes problems was where her doom actually started. It is one thing to like those foods, but when your star becomes seriously ill because of her own cooking that is bad news. Plus I heard paula shifted her shopw to more healthy cooking which probably turned off her fans. They watched her to see her slam a burger patty in between 2 donuts, not to make a healthy salad. Her cooking show was probably killed because it was just a good time to dump her given her audience problems. Without the cooking show her merchandise lost it's appeal. The reality with paula is this all may have very little to do with her lawsuit deposition. They may not even have cared that much that it was racist. For them terminating her when she is facing racist accusations was just a convenient time to pretend they were doing the right thing in the public's eyes, and had this been at her prime they may not have terminated her contract.

    i may feel it is a good message to let old southern racism die, but I am under no real delusion that her contract was not renewed over the racial issue. It is all about profit and she simply was failing like you said. In the end i do not really feel too sorry for her. She has made millions, had fun cooking on TV, and been a relatively famous star. She is older and if she has saved her money she can retire in comfort and live her retirement years much better than most people can. She even has her restaurant to help keep her busy while she relaxes and enjoys her wealth. If she runs out of money she can release a few books that will sell after this whole thing blows over. Paula Deen is not hurting because of this. Paula Deen is hurting because she gave herself diabetes with her terrible eating and who knows how long she has left to enjoy her wealth given what she has done to herself over the years. She should retire and enjoy things while she still can.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I guess I can stand by my original post. It's clear from reading the article that her ratings were already down, with no particular relationship to the uproar caused by her alleged racism. The network was just cutting their losses by not renewing her contract, choosing to go with more popular cooking competitions and reality shows. Seems this network wants to attract more younger viewers who are indoctrinated, rabid consumers so as to get more advertising options and income. Perfectly reasonable business decision.

    Soooo, I can stick to my basic concerns regarding free speech censorship in response to boycott threats from special interest groups, even though it appears Ms. Deen may not have been "canned" as a result of it.
    Apparently in libertarian land free speech doesn't apply to my choices as a consumer.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Apparently in libertarian land free speech doesn't apply to my choices as a consumer.
    Excuse me? I don't understand the comment. Free speech and "choice as a consumer?"

    As a "consumer" you can choose to buy a product (or watch a show), or not buy a product (refuse to watch a show). What has this got to do with "Libertarianism" or "free speech?"

    I'm of the "George Carlin" variety of free speech advocate: if you don't like what you are hearing on the radio or seeing on TV, tune into another station or turn the thing off. If you don't like what you are hearing or seeing in some public place, feel free to move elsewhere. In any case where the activity is a clear disturbance of the peace, feel free to contact your local police. How does this limit your choices as a consumer?
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Excuse me? I don't understand the comment. Free speech and "choice as a consumer?"

    As a "consumer" you can choose to buy a product (or watch a show), or not buy a product (refuse to watch a show). What has this got to do with "Libertarianism" or "free speech?"

    I'm of the "George Carlin" variety of free speech advocate: if you don't like what you are hearing on the radio or seeing on TV, tune into another station or turn the thing off. If you don't like what you are hearing or seeing in some public place, feel free to move elsewhere. In any case where the activity is a clear disturbance of the peace, feel free to contact your local police. How does this limit your choices as a consumer?
    But it's not ok for me to organize a boycott and pressure the organization to change?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But it's not ok for me to organize a boycott and pressure the organization to change?
    Ahh, but thats not really a "consumer" choice, thats a freedom of expressin choice. Of course you can. My compaint is against a business, organization, or government agency that would respond to punish a person for freely expressing his opinions simply because your organize a protest. So maybe you do and you and your supporters stop using Capitol One cards. This could very well be balanced by an equal number of people who LIKE the individual you protest against and who would suddenly start using Capitol One cards. I just think it's silly to act merely because some group threatens you.

    They can do whatever, but to me its just a slippery-slope allowing a popular view-of-the-moment to dictate long-term freedom of expression policies. This can easily backfire on the very people who push for the censorship of others, when similar tactics end up silencing them.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Doesn't really matter how much her book sales went up, because her publisher dumped her.
    It matters in the previous conversation because the contention was made that she would be bad for business for those that dumped her. This contention is what was being refuted. I proved that she wasn't in fact "bad for business" since her book sales increased extensively after the scandal.
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