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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It’s liberal hypocrisy! The liberal media isn’t paying much attention to what Baldwin says today, but they can’t resist an opportunity to destroy a conservative woman for what she said 30 years ago. You racist, homophobic liberals should be ashamed of yourselves and you should ask yourselves why skin color matters in every situation other than situations where another liberal shows his/her bigotry.
    No, it's that Paula Deen's ratings were down and the Food Network wanted to change its programming focus. See my earlier post -- the source is Fox, so you won't even get to bitch about the source. Liberals weren't clamoring for her firing before they did it. Besides which, she wasn't "fired." Her contract was not renewed. That's a different thing altogether.

    To make it easy to understand, I'll reiterate: Her ratings were down. The Food Network wanted to change the focus of their programming. Ergo, they didn't re-up with her. It's called free enterprise.

    Why is it that the same group that says blacks shouldn't play the victim anymore, the same group that talks about personal responsibility, are the same group who don't miss a chance to play the victim?


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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    How on earth can someone post an article where people are calling for someone to be dropped by a business and then claim that this person is "getting a pass?"

    I mean, what?

    P.S. Paula Deen wasn't just fired for saying words 30 years ago. You should really read up more on what she actually did, OP.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I’m right there with you. Most speech, including “hate speech” only has the power you give it to harm you. As long as it is just words you are free to respond in many different ways, none of which necessitate silencing the idiot. Better to hear it and identify a foe, than not and get stabbed in the back.



    In fairness? Well we have movies being made all the time (Django unchained comes to mind) where black people "pretend to be slaves." As long as the pay was good and it was an "acting" job at a theme party, what is the big deal????

    Don't get me wrong, just because I support free speech does not mean people who mouth off should not face consequences. That's what courts of civil law are for, and also why voting with your feet or your pocketbooks also works wonders.
    The free market gives a business the right to disassociate themselves with someone they feel hurts their image or their profit margin. Paula Deen's contract not being renewed was exactly that - the results of the "pocketbook vote."
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Capital One should fire his ass. People getting paid millions of dollars to be spokespersons for companies who presumably would disavow remarks such as he made have no business being rewarded with a continuing relationship. Period.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The free market gives a business the right to disassociate themselves with someone they feel hurts their image or their profit margin. Paula Deen's contract not being renewed was exactly that - the results of the "pocketbook vote."
    I agree with the first sentence. I don't agree with the presumption made in the second that her action actually hurt their pocketbooks at the time. I believe it was just a pre-emptive response due to the "threat" of action by a special interest group. I completely understand the motivations of the business organization, faced with the old example of Anita Bryant and the boycott of orange juice.

    Still, it's the knee-jerk reaction to a "threat" that bothers me. There might not have been any reduction in their sales or viewership at all. There might even have been a possible increase as looky-loos tuned in to see what all the fuss was about. Censorship brought about as the result of fear rather than proven harm is my main concern whenever I see free expression being "punished" in such ways.

    (Note: I just saw post #51 by Rocket88. I'll check prior posts for the links he mentioned regarding lower viewership to be certain it can be tied to this issue. If so I might correct part of my response in a follow-on post. Current server problems are causing some difficulties.)
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except the only hypocrisy and bias is going on in your imagination. The left is the one jumping on Baldwin, asking that he be dropped from his contract for his comments.

    And the media isn't showing bias in itself. It is showing sensationalism, which is something they do all the time. They can sensationalize certain people and events much more than they can others.
    post a link where one liberal organization has condemned Baldwin and or asked Capitol One to drop him. The organization that is asking for Capitol One to drop him is GOProud a gay conservative organization
    where is GLAAD why have they been silent? why haven't they spoken out against Baldwin vile homophobic violence threatening tweet?

    its not that the press can or can not they will or will not sensationalize certain people and events

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

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    Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe it was a "theme party." They happen all the time and people are hired to portray all sorts of roles at a "theme party." Often actors are hired to portray such roles, just like waiters, bartenders and caterers are hired. I've seen whites dressed up as roman slaves, east indians dressed up as thuggees, asian women dressed up as concubines, etc., all potrayiing roles to support the theme. If the ban is absolute, there should be NO time when a black actor can portray a slave including Django, Gone With The Wind, or Roots.
    1. Around the time I went to the University of Chicago, one of the frats had a "theme party" where they wore black face, pretended to be rappers and generally mocked black people and what's generally considered "black culture". That "theme party" was also considered a problem by many because it perpetuated racism and racial ignorance. This year at Duke, a sorority had an "Asian themed" party where they portrayed themselves as stereotypically Asian and made a mockery of what is typically considered "Asian culture." The claim that what Paula said was okay because she just wanted a "theme party" doesn't hold water. The problem with her "theme party" is that theme included a racist, barbaric institution meant to make an old white lady feel good.

    2. When it comes to films, they are also not immune to criticism. Have you missed all of the criticism that Django, Gone With the Wind and other films have received? Much of that criticism takes issue with how black people were portrayed or treated in the films and with whether or not the films subvert or perpetuate racism and other racial issues. Beyond that, films that use black actors as slaves, such as in the case of films like Roots, are often used to CRITIQUE slavery and condemn it. A white woman having a party where black people play her slaves is NOT a critique of slavery. It's a sick fantasy that endorses slavery as something to be made light of BY WHITE PEOPLE.

    Sorry, your exception is based upon emotion due to the fact this woman is considered a racist
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    I'm not making an exception for anything. It's the rule - in my world - that when you behave in a racist manner, you're probably a racist piece of ****. Paula fits that rule. Also, you seem to be suggesting that I have a problem with the party Deen proposed because other people consider her a racist. LOL, no. I - like most other people - came to conclusion that she's probably a racist based on her desire to have black people play slaves to her. You're getting the order wrong.

    Note, throughout the period in Hollywood when films like "Gone With the Wind" were being made, racism was rampant. We still watch the movies today though. Or should we burn them for failing a "political correctness" test?
    I don't believe in "political correctness". It's a BS term used by fools to minimize, simplify and dismiss - without critical thought - positions with which they disagree, but do not want to engage. If you would like to try that again without simplifying my perspective, you may. Otherwise, no need to reply with anymore of racist apologist bull****.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    post a link where one liberal organization has condemned Baldwin and or asked Capitol One to drop him. The organization that is asking for Capitol One to drop him is GOProud a gay conservative organization
    where is GLAAD why have they been silent? why haven't they spoken out against Baldwin vile homophobic violence threatening tweet?

    its not that the press can or can not they will or will not sensationalize certain people and events
    Because Baldwin went immediately to GLAAD and apologized and explained exactly like I said, he made the comment out of anger and it was directed toward a single person out of anger, not out of homophobia or hate toward a group.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    ...- in my world -...
    Say no more...and why I consider the rest of your post irrelevant to the point I originally made in reply.

    You were not "being fair" in your "to be fair" statement. You were expressing an opinion based upon your (now quite obvious) highly emotional world-view of racism in relation to the incident.

    Fully entitled to do so though, no argument there. In MY opinion, theme parties can be as racist, sexist, or any other "ist" you can think of as part of free expression.

    I, of course, am free not to attend.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Its different when an actor uses homophobic slurs, just like its different when a black man (or gangs of blacks) beat someone (or murder them) for being gay.

    In other news, Baldwins press agent released a statement to all the gays. "**** you you butt hurt faggots and queens. I treat my daughter like a pig. If I treated you any different THEN I would be homophobic. Now **** off or Ill come down to where you are and put my boot up your ass. Oh. And...whats in YOUR wallet?"

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