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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't care for anyone getting fired over comments that they make/have made that have no bearing on how they do their job. Paula Deen shouldn't have been fired for what she has said in the past, and Alec Baldwin shouldn't be fired because he made "homophobic tweets" (which I honestly think was him just being mad at someone and he shouldn't be condemned for the "homophobia" as much as for just being a frackin jerk). But in reality, someone else hit it, it is really just business. There are many more people that are against perceived racism than there are those against perceived homophobia.
    if he would have left it as just saying "Queen" i would almost agree, but he went as far as saying “[I’d] put my foot up your f**king ass, George Stark, but I’m sure you’d dig it too much,” is undeniable homophobic and a threat of violence. that is a hate crime

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

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    Well, in all fairness, Paula Deen also apparently said in ~2007 that she wanted to have a "Civil War era" party where black people would pretend to be slaves. She's also accused of creating a hostile environment for black workers by doing things like having them use separate bathrooms.
    I read up on that. I agree that the pretend slaves things was out of line, but it was bad judgement not racism (would it have been better if she had put white people in black face instead as servers?). And the separate bathrooms things is something the media misrepresents. The bathrooms in question were for guests. Most if not all of the employees were black and all employees were told they had to use the employee bathrooms (from what I read). It had nothing to do with a race divide itself, but rather a divide in guests/employee status. There is one employee making these claims and she is not being supported in many of them. If more information comes out that supports her claims, okay. But many things have to be taken into consideration about these allegations, including the fact that the employee making them asked for hush money. It sounds like she basically took some instances and circumstances and turned them into more than they were in order to make her suit.

    Paula Deen Gets Help From African-American Friends | WebProNews

    Paul Deen Accuser: This Was Never About the N-Word | WebProNews

    Could I be wrong, and Deen is really a racist witch who deserves what she got? Sure. But I think a lot of people jumped the gun and just took the word of this one person without seeing if anything she claimed could be actually verified as truly what happened.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    if he would have left it as just saying "Queen" i would almost agree, but he went as far as saying “[I’d] put my foot up your f**king ass, George Stark, but I’m sure you’d dig it too much,” is undeniable homophobic and a threat of violence. that is a hate crime
    That is not a hate crime. There is no legitimate threat of violence. It has to be something that actually reasonably can be considered to be a true threat, not just a statement made in anger.

    It is still wrong, but it in itself, does not prove homophobia. It requires more than just angry words about one specific person to prove hate of the whole group that person belongs to.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    liberals don't pay the price that conservatives do the media doesn't hold them accountable like they will a conservative
    So you're actually more interested in being a victim. Ratings were down, and so they cancelled her show. It ain't rocket science.

    Paula Deen's show ratings down before Food Network dismissal | Fox News

    “Paula Deen is still popular but she is not popular in the way she used to be,” Ileane Rudolph, senior writer at TV Guide Magazine, told FOX411. “She still has a following, but it’s just not what it used to be.”
    Recently, Rudolph explained, food fans have been more inclined to tune in for the network’s prime time shows like “Chopped,” “Food Network Star” and “Restaurant Stakeout,” showing a shift in viewer interest from instructional cooking series to competition or reality TV-based shows.
    It's really pretty basic. But I guess those reasons won't let you play the victim.


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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I read up on that. I agree that the pretend slaves things was out of line, but it was bad judgement not racism (would it have been better if she had put white people in black face instead as servers?). And the separate bathrooms things is something the media misrepresents. The bathrooms in question were for guests. Most if not all of the employees were black and all employees were told they had to use the employee bathrooms (from what I read). It had nothing to do with a race divide itself, but rather a divide in guests/employee status. There is one employee making these claims and she is not being supported in many of them. If more information comes out that supports her claims, okay. But many things have to be taken into consideration about these allegations, including the fact that the employee making them asked for hush money. It sounds like she basically took some instances and circumstances and turned them into more than they were in order to make her suit.

    Paula Deen Gets Help From African-American Friends | WebProNews

    Paul Deen Accuser: This Was Never About the N-Word | WebProNews

    Could I be wrong, and Deen is really a racist witch who deserves what she got? Sure. But I think a lot of people jumped the gun and just took the word of this one person without seeing if anything she claimed could be actually verified as truly what happened.
    I can't consider wanting black people to play slaves as they serve you to simply be "bad judgment." While I can't say for certain that she is a racist, I certainly believe that such behavior could be an indicator of racism. A woman her age from the South is certainly aware of what slavery was and all the implications around it. Therefore, this is not just a case of "bad judgment." That explanation might suffice for a child, but Paula Deen is an adult. I mean, would you consider it "bad judgment" if a German adult wanted to reenact the Holocaust or if a white person wanted to reenact the Trail of Tears? Probably not. Slavery is no different.

    As far as people just taking the word of the woman, I don't think that's the case. Most people seem to be going by the transcripts that have Paula Deen's own words on them.

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Alec's tweets are getting blown out of proportion.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is not a hate crime. There is no legitimate threat of violence. It has to be something that actually reasonably can be considered to be a true threat, not just a statement made in anger.

    It is still wrong, but it in itself, does not prove homophobia. It requires more than just angry words about one specific person to prove hate of the whole group that person belongs to.
    For a threat to be a crime, it must be a threat to do physical harm. Threats to murder or cause serious injury to a person are specific enough to be the basis of a crime.
    Read more: Legal Definition of a Verbal Threat | eHow

    wouldn't forcing you foot up some ones ass cause serious injury

    "Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters
    Hate crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

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    The official GOP platform discriminates against gays. That's the GOP's official policy.



    No, you can't find anything racist against blacks in the current GOP 2012 official party platform, you can however find discriminatory material in there against gays, genius.
    The President thought held the same views up until 5 minutes ago, so I guess you didn't vote for him either. Not to mention Clinton who signed DOMA. Are you looking at the people pulling your leash?

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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Legal Definition of a Verbal Threat | eHow

    wouldnt forceing you foot up some ones ass cause serious injury



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    It is much more than what is listed in the laws themselves though. It has to be a legitimate threat. It cannot be something that to a reasonable person looks like an angry rant, as it appears to be in this case. People say "I'll put my foot up your ass" all the time, even to specific people. But there are few times such threats are ever considered serious threats because they are almost always just a person venting anger.

    Using online media is relatively new, but it still falls under protections of speech. And that includes protection from not being able to even talk about/threat violence as long as there is no reason to believe there is actual intent to act on that talk/threat.
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    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is much more than what is listed in the laws themselves though. It has to be a legitimate threat. It cannot be something that to a reasonable person looks like an angry rant, as it appears to be in this case. People say "I'll put my foot up your ass" all the time, even to specific people. But there are few times such threats are ever considered serious threats because they are almost always just a person venting anger.

    Using online media is relatively new, but it still falls under protections of speech. And that includes protection from not being able to even talk about/threat violence as long as there is no reason to believe there is actual intent to act on that talk/threat.
    with Baldwin's history of violence against reporters i would take it serious. he threatened violence twice once by saying i will f___ you up and i will but a foot up your ass

    did Rush, Deen or Imus get a pass? neither of them made a threat of violence and Rush and Imus was making a joke. just a text book example of the lefts selective outrage and media bias

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