Page 10 of 10 FirstFirst ... 8910
Results 91 to 94 of 94

Thread: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

  1. #91
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Last Seen
    07-16-13 @ 12:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,568

    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/6102...ama-supporter/

    Paula Deen supported Obama - yet she's being persecuted for being a Conservative
    She is being sued for a hostile work environment.

    She is not being persecuted for being conservative.

    Conservatives just happen to be rushing to her defense.

  2. #92
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I find the implication that the utterance of one phrase at some point in one's life makes one illegible to participate in the economy.
    I find both the simplification and hyperbole that you've employed here as a failed criticism of my arguments to be a great illustration of how weak your position truly is. If you had a strong position, then you would not feel the need to reduce Deen's behavior to merely "the utterance of one phrase" while purposely ignoring all of the other things she has said and is accused of saying and doing. If you had a strong position, then you wouldn't describe a wealthy person being fired and losing endorsements with the laughably hyperbolic phrase "illegible to participate in the economy," particularly when that person owns her own restaurant (I'm assuming, by the way that you meant "ineligible".)

    Perhaps the expectation isn't so much that people support individuals they find reprehensible as much as they just get over their hypersensitivity.
    For someone who seems so apt to point out the obvious, it's surprising that you missed it in this case so I'll point it out for you. "Hypersensitivity" is subjective. What you perceive as hypersensitive may be perceived as just the right amount of sensitivity or even not enough sensitivity by others. For those people, your opinion on whether or not they are "hypersensitive" is irrelevant and holds no power for anyone but you and those who agree with the sentiment. Therefore, your "expectation" that people not behave in the way you want them to is irrational unless you intend to convince them to adopt your perspective.

    I will also say, just as a personal observation, that I find the juxtaposition of how you dismiss concerns about Deen as "hypersensitive" while expressing your own concern about how others have treated her extremely funny (I'm smiling as I type this). It's amusing - and yet not all surprising - that you would dismiss the concerns people have about how middle to lower class black people are treated in their workplace as "hypersensitive", but that you would find the concerns that people have about an upper class white woman who is accused of creating a hostile environment for black workers as legitimate. It is - of course - the people who are tired of seeing racism in their society who are "hypersensitive". It could not, of course, be those who characterize a wealthy person merely losing endorsements as making her "illegible to participate in the economy" who are the hypersensitive ones. Oh, no. That could never be.

    Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 07-10-13 at 06:14 PM.

  3. #93
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    10-30-14 @ 12:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,908

    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets | Fox News

    so tell me liberals how is it that Paula Deen has her career decimated for something she said 30 years ago, but Baldwin gets a pass for saying something much worse. he just didn't use a homophobic slur he threatened violence against the gay reporter that is a hate crime at least it would be if a conservative did so. the hypocrisy never seams to end with the left
    Why is Baldwin - a man who lives up to the Hollyweird status quo politics endorsing banks in the first place?

  4. #94
    Guru
    Republic Now!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Seen
    09-12-14 @ 11:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: Activists call for Capital One to drop Alec Baldwin over homophobic tweets

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I find both the simplification and hyperbole that you've employed here as a failed criticism of my arguments to be a great illustration of how weak your position truly is.
    Is that so?

    Can you think of any phrases that would greatly impact one's life if spoken publicly, regardless of the context? I can think of a few.

    If you had a strong position, then you would not feel the need to reduce Deen's behavior to merely "the utterance of one phrase" while purposely ignoring all of the other things she has said and is accused of saying and doing.
    Well, I wasn't specifically taking about her case, in fact in my initial post I was responding to the OP's criticism of Alec Baldwin. Regardless, from the Paula Deen case I understand she was asked in court if she ever used the N word and she said she did, back when the word was socially acceptable. She's also being accused by a former employee of other things, but the validity of those claims have yet to be determined. So as far as I see, the only thing that is known in the case is that she uttered a phrase and that's enough to stir controversy.

    If you had a strong position, then you wouldn't describe a wealthy person being fired and losing endorsements with the laughably hyperbolic phrase "illegible to participate in the economy," particularly when that person owns her own restaurant (I'm assuming, by the way that you meant "ineligible".)
    Thanks for pointing out the typo.

    When I say "ineligible to participate in the economy," I'm referring to the notion that no one should give them business, which I understand was your point. I apologize if I misunderstood you.


    For someone who seems so apt to point out the obvious, it's surprising that you missed it in this case so I'll point it out for you. "Hypersensitivity" is subjective.
    Yes, and I'm saying people need to adjust their perceptions. They care about long time ago comments too much and too often it stirs controversy.

    Using some sense of subjectivity is just lazy arguing. I could respond to your long paragraphs with "well that's just subjective" too, but then there would be no more point in debating. I'm aware people's perceptions are different, there's no need to pull it out as though it changes anything.

    What you perceive as hypersensitive may be perceived as just the right amount of sensitivity or even not enough sensitivity by others. For those people, your opinion on whether or not they are "hypersensitive" is irrelevant and holds no power for anyone but you and those who agree with the sentiment. Therefore, your "expectation" that people not behave in the way you want them to is irrational unless you intend to convince them to adopt your perspective.
    I'd be happy to try to convince them of my position if I had even the smallest inkling that they would listen. I've concluded however, that people like being offended too much to consider the issue fairly.

    I will also say, just as a personal observation, that I find the juxtaposition of how you dismiss concerns about Deen as "hypersensitive" while expressing your own concern about how others have treated her extremely funny (I'm smiling as I type this).
    You have a weird sense of humor but okay.
    It's amusing - and yet not all surprising - that you would dismiss the concerns people have about how middle to lower class black people are treated in their workplace as "hypersensitive", but that you would find the concerns that people have about an upper class white woman who is accused of creating a hostile environment for black workers as legitimate.
    I'm addressing the known issues. You're jumping to conclusions and assuming that the hostile work environment occurred. The only evidence for this hostile work environment is disgruntled employee who could just be trying to cash out. Perhaps you should wait for the facts to come in before concluding that someone is an evil racist. I don't give a crap how much money they have; I don't know why you keep feeling the need to point it out.

    It is - of course - the people who are tired of seeing racism in their society who are "hypersensitive". It could not, of course, be those who characterize a wealthy person merely losing endorsements as making her "illegible to participate in the economy" who are the hypersensitive ones. Oh, no. That could never be.

    Well, it's more the people who want to see racism everywhere they can. You're jumping to conclusions is an example of that.
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

Page 10 of 10 FirstFirst ... 8910

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •