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You don't seem to get it, but minimum wage encourages companies to pay less than maybe the market would demand, it is economic activity that determines the supply. Minimum wages could serve as maximum wages a company has to pay. Let the market grow, encourage economic activity and the market will drive wages up, it is happening wherever there is growth
And yet, you just posted how wages have increased in N. Dakota, a state with a minimum wage. How were the wages in Alabama and Mississippi doing in 2011?
 
Minimum wage protects the citizens - its a good thing

thats great that somewhere in North Dakota McDonald's hired a few people for $15 per hour.... what about the rest of the country? Nice try, but some people actually read links :)

if protecting them means by keeping many out of the workforce, which of course means young folks can't develop a good working ethic or entry level skills, then yep, that's protection. But for elected Democrats who have them trapped on the Democrat plantation.
 
if protecting them means by keeping many out of the workforce, which of course means young folks can't develop a good working ethic or entry level skills, then yep, that's protection. But for elected Democrats who have them trapped on the Democrat plantation.

How is keeping wages fair keeping people out of the workforce? Do explain....
 
What wages are not fair for the skills sought versus the supply of skills in that particular expertise?

Wages that take advantage of the worker... that's why we have minimum wage... which needs to be increased at this time
 
Wages that take advantage of the worker... that's why we have minimum wage... which needs to be increased at this time

hey, start your own business and pay your employees whatever you want. Stop telling private business what to pay their workers since you have no idea as to what their profit demand is
 
What I love is liberals trying to define fair. You think the govt. defines fair properly

Why would you use the term "liberal" in response to my post? If you noticed... it says centrist next to my name. But that's beside the point. Who said anything about trusting the government to define fair properly? I certainly don't believe that. They may do a better job than you would though... just how would you define the word fair?
 
Why would you use the term "liberal" in response to my post? If you noticed... it says centrist next to my name. But that's beside the point. Who said anything about trusting the government to define fair properly? I certainly don't believe that. They may do a better job than you would though... just how would you define the word fair?

So if you are going to support a "fair" wage, isn't it a requirement to define fair?
 
hey, start your own business and pay your employees whatever you want. Stop telling private business what to pay their workers since you have no idea as to what their profit demand is

Minimum wage forces companies not to take advantage of workers out of greed. It also forces them to be creative. Many employers become overwhelmed with greed and simply whine because they don't have full control of what happens in their lives. I say get over it... no one has full control over their lives... no one ever has. Don't try to take it out on others, most specifically, your employees.
 
Wages that take advantage of the worker... that's why we have minimum wage... which needs to be increased at this time

You didn't answer the question. What wage is not fair in which each party agrees?
 
Minimum wage forces companies not to take advantage of workers out of greed. It also forces them to be creative. Many employers become overwhelmed with greed and simply whine because they don't have full control of what happens in their lives. I say get over it... no one has full control over their lives... no one ever has. Don't try to take it out on others, most specifically, your employees.

Look, minimum wage isn't meant to be a permanent long term wage but rather a starting wage. In some cases minimum wage is overpaying some people and I can put you in touch with many. Why is that never a consideration to people like you?

On the other hand minimum wage establishes a value for a job regardless of its value to the customer, the company, or the value of that employee which again you cannot see. It is the market that should determine what wage an employee should be paid not the federal govt. It is the market that will determine the definition of fair as well unless you have no problem paying $10 for a Big Mac so that a McDonalds employee can get what you perceive as fair.

It is always so easy for someone else to spend some other person's money
 
Fair wage, living wage, minimum wage... its all getting at the same thing isn't it?

No, because fair wage in TX based upon cost of living is different than the fair wage in NY if you want to equate fair wage to living wage. Further if you want to dictate what some company pays its workers, you should be willing to pay some of their profit demand as well
 
You didn't answer the question. What wage is not fair in which each party agrees?

A prisoner may admit to a crime after being tortured for hours even though he hasn't committed a crime at all. Does the fact that he agreed to admit to the crime make the situation fair?
 
A prisoner may admit to a crime after being tortured for hours even though he hasn't committed a crime at all. Does the fact that he agreed to admit to the crime make the situation fair?

Is there a particular reason you're avoiding the question?
 
Look, minimum wage isn't meant to be a permanent long term wage but rather a starting wage. In some cases minimum wage is overpaying some people and I can put you in touch with many. Why is that never a consideration to people like you?

People like who? Who is to say its an overpayment?

On the other hand minimum wage establishes a value for a job regardless of its value to the customer, the company, or the value of that employee which again you cannot see. It is the market that should determine what wage an employee should be paid not the federal govt. It is the market that will determine the definition of fair as well unless you have no problem paying $10 for a Big Mac so that a McDonalds employee can get what you perceive as fair.

Companies can chose how much profit they want to hoard and how much they want to share with the people that make their company possible (i.e. their employees). Economic principles work in a perfect world. It gets messy when you add in the humanity factor. I think that is where you are running into problems. In the real world, people in society's don't like to be taken advantage of. In the real world, people become very, very greedy. In the real world, humans exist. This means imperfection. The challenge is applying economic principles with thinking, feeling, breathing humans, who have a right to decide what is and isn't acceptable in their society.

It is always so easy for someone else to spend some other person's money

1st of all, remember that if it weren't for other people, companies wouldn't be able to hoard large sums of money. If it weren't for certain governmental protections, this wouldn't be possible either. If it weren't for certain services this wouldn't be possible. And most of all, if it weren't for the use of artificial wealth (paper money, digital money, gold, silver, etc.) such great hoarding wouldn't be possible. Before the use of such technology, people couldn't hoard wealth in the same way. If one were to hoard a barn full of apples that they were somehow able to pluck from the trees before anyone else could, those apples would go bad and all their effort to gain wealth would have been for not. So just remember, massive wealth accumulation is not really a "natural" phenomena. Government helps keep things natural, so to speak.
 
Is there a particular reason you're avoiding the question?

Why didn't you answer my question? If you want, I can explain the analogy I presented.... as that was my way of answering your question
 
MusicAdventurer;1062076641]People like who? Who is to say its an overpayment?

The quality of the employee



Companies can chose how much profit they want to hoard and how much they want to share with the people that make their company possible (i.e. their employees). Economic principles work in a perfect world. It gets messy when you add in the humanity factor. I think that is where you are running into problems. In the real world, people in society's don't like to be taken advantage of. In the real world, people become very, very greedy. In the real world, humans exist. This means imperfection. The challenge is applying economic principles with thinking, feeling, breathing humans, who have a right to decide what is and isn't acceptable in their society.

Profit really bothers you doesn't it? Why do you care? How does a company's profit affect you. Name for me one major corporation that pays its workers minimum wage? As I stated, start your own business and learn what it costs to run it the pay the employees whatever you want.


1st of all, remember that if it weren't for other people, companies wouldn't be able to hoard large sums of money. If it weren't for certain governmental protections, this wouldn't be possible either. If it weren't for certain services this wouldn't be possible. And most of all, if it weren't for the use of artificial wealth (paper money, digital money, gold, silver, etc.) such great hoarding wouldn't be possible. Before the use of such technology, people couldn't hoard wealth in the same way. If one were to hoard a barn full of apples that they were somehow able to pluck from the trees before anyone else could, those apples would go bad and all their effort to gain wealth would have been for not. So just remember, massive wealth accumulation is not really a "natural" phenomena. Government helps keep things natural, so to speak.

What a company does with its profit is none of your or my business. Companies aren't in business to employ people, they are in business to make a profit, hiring people helps them do that.
 
Here's the "real" unemployment rate (U-6)
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I haven't seen any evidence for any major decline in unemployment in the last couple of months, so this is pretty much indicative of the fact that we have an unemployment rate that is still twice as much as 2007 levels.
 
hey, start your own business and pay your employees whatever you want. Stop telling private business what to pay their workers since you have no idea as to what their profit demand is

If you don't like it, you should move to China where businesses can hire anyone of any age and pay them however little they wish. You must like a business that can hire 8 year old kids for pennies to take jobs away from adults who would demand more.
 
if protecting them means by keeping many out of the workforce, which of course means young folks can't develop a good working ethic or entry level skills, then yep, that's protection. But for elected Democrats who have them trapped on the Democrat plantation.

You don't need to be flipping bugers at McDonalds to learn a work ethic.
 
No, because fair wage in TX based upon cost of living is different than the fair wage in NY if you want to equate fair wage to living wage. Further if you want to dictate what some company pays its workers, you should be willing to pay some of their profit demand as well


A company should be able to pay the costs of their employees as far as showing up to work healthy at the very least.
 
A company should be able to pay the costs of their employees as far as showing up to work healthy at the very least.

Do want the company to go home with them at night and make sure they eat properly, don't take drugs, don't drink too much, and get plenty of exercise? Healthcare is a personal responsibility not a govt. or employer responsibility
 
Do want the company to go home with them at night and make sure they eat properly, don't take drugs, don't drink too much, and get plenty of exercise? Healthcare is a personal responsibility not a govt. or employer responsibility

Fine have **** heads showing up to your jobs stoned or drunk or whatever. If the job ain't worth it it just ain't. The company gets to pay the price whatever price that is.
 
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