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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

Donc said:
What is the multiplier effect of building a bomb and sticking it in the ground for thirty or forty years? PURE KEYNESIAN that you were ranting against within the last year. :lamo
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Before talking multiplier effect you better tell me what the multiplier is because it isn't what you think it is. Reagan had a less than trillion dollar budget for a country with 242 million Americans. Today that budget is 3.8 trillion dollars for 312 million Americans. Those extra 70 million sure are expensive or is it simply your blind eye that ignores the massive growth of our govt. today and designs to grow it more? How do you grow govt. more you ask? You create greater dependence.
 
Boo Radley said:
Now that's just not true. :lamo:lamo:lamo
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Your opinion noted but just like you not knowing what a fact is you also believe that the answer given that you don't like is a non answer. Be more specific what question was presented that I didn't answer?
 
Boo Radley said:
No. The saying actually means someone will believe it even though its not true. And that as been tested and proven true again and again. Another saying is that it's impossible to teach someone something that person THINKS he or she knows. Misperception dies a long, s low death.
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Well, I can't argue with your post. I've been reading many posts on this particular thread that are proving your point beautifully.

I'd add "agonizing" to the "dies a long, slow death" line though.
 
Conservative said:
Never said I couldn't find it, I know it, apparently you don't because you want to buy what the media tells you. You have way too much invested in failure and low expectations, rather a shame.
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We currently spend 24% of the TOTAL budget on defense, in 1987 it made up 32% of the budget. Reagan spent his way out the 80's recession.
 
pinqy said:
Absolute rubbish. Where on Earth did you get that idea from?

How the Government Measures Unemployment


Or, from the Technical Note to the Employment Situation:


And how do you explain A-38. Persons not in the labor force by desire and availability for work, age, and sex which is a breakdown of those neither Employed nor Unemployed?
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Unemployment Rate Definition, Example & Formula | InvestingAnswers


Unemployment Rate = Number of Unemployed / Total Labor Force

In short..

Labor force = those employed.

Number of those unemployed = those receiving unemployment benefits.

My criteria is correct...

Also, the notion that taxes/healthcare don't affect businesses and their decisions as far as cutting back on spending because they have to pay Uncle Sam shows just how deficient some people are...

Do democrats just not live on a budget?

So what makes you think business' don't have a budget?

Oh yeah I forgot democrats are responsible for bleeding the banks dry with their idea that everything is free on a credit card - so the notion that businesses don't live on a budget is alien to the typical democrat.
 
Conservative said:
Obama is always talking about govt. investment so you tell me about govt. investment that creates the numbers I posted. Do you have a problem with it? What is the return on the 6.2 trillion Obama debt?
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In 1979, the budget was $500M, by 1987 Ronnie had more that doubled it to $1,000M ($1T).

Obama has not done that, he is on pace to have the lowest levels of increase.
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted but just like you not knowing what a fact is you also believe that the answer given that you don't like is a non answer. Be more specific what question was presented that I didn't answer?
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You haven't addressed that numbers don't support your claims. Instead, you rant.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, I can't argue with your post. I've been reading many posts on this particular thread that are proving your point beautifully.

I'd add "agonizing" to the "dies a long, slow death" line though.
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I'll accept the additional word. :thumbs:

But personal stores need to have something with a sufficient to back them up. ;)
 
Gimmesometruth said:
In 1979, the budget was $500M, by 1987 Ronnie had more that doubled it to $1,000M ($1T).

Obama has not done that, he is on pace to have the lowest levels of increase.
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The GDP doubled, the revenue to the govt increased by over 60 percent and I am still waiting for you to show that massive military build up you claim Reagan had. Amazing how low your expectations are when it comes to the Obama record.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Obama hates business and capitalism as much as the next progressive and will tax and regulate the **** out of them....

Obama is a union shill and an authoritarian.... He wants unions and complete dictation over the private sector, because when you can dictate a business you can dictate an outcome
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The net gain of 7.2 million new jobs in the private sector over the last 40 consecutive months pretty much renders your rightie fantasies null & void.
 
Boo Radley said:
You haven't addressed that numbers don't support your claims. Instead, you rant.
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The numbers are easy to address and are available. I know the numbers, apparently you don't and prefer to believe what you are told. The reality makes you look and sound foolish. I posted an article showing that Reagan proposed spending cuts that Congress said was dead on arrival and a 994 billion dollar budget for 242 million Americans. Today Obama proposed a budget of 3.77 trillion dollars for 312 million Americans. Reagan's budget cut the deficit whereas Obama's increases it. Reality sucks doesn't it?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The net gain of 7.2 million new jobs in the private sector over the last 40 consecutive months pretty much renders your rightie fantasies null & void.
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Really? then why is the employment number still 2 million less than 2007 and the unemployed only 177,000 less than when Obama took office? you have such low expectations and simply buy what you are told. So much invested in the failed ideology of liberalism.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'll accept the additional word. :thumbs:

But personal stores need to have something with a sufficient to back them up. ;)
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I suppose they do, but then again, on an anonymous blog, what would work?

If "something with a sufficient" were required of every post, this would be a very "quiet" place.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The net gain of 7.2 million new jobs in the private sector over the last 40 consecutive months pretty much renders your rightie fantasies null & void.
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So why didn't the unemployment rate move?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it - at least considering your numbers.

You're not going to see a significant move in unemployment numbers until the "void" has been closed. Well, that or if Obamacare is enforced you will see companies/business/corporations dropping workers left and right or at least dropping them to part-time.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
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Wow !

From your job numbers out of context to your Trayvon Martin Misinformation, not one thing under your name is accurate.

You libs ALWAYS leave our the massive drop in the workforce, the substantial increase in dependency, the massive new debt, the perpetual QE, the shrinking of the middle class, the increase in poverty rates among adults and Children.

1 in 5 for American Children. Is that part of Michelle Obama's Child Obesity initiative ?

To starve the little carpet crawlers through chronic poverty ?

I don't know who your'e trying to impress, or convince but I think even you can do better than that mess you just posted.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
In 1979, the budget was $500M, by 1987 Ronnie had more that doubled it to $1,000M ($1T).

Obama has not done that, he is on pace to have the lowest levels of increase.
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No, Obama took a 3 trillion dollar budget and added 800 billion to it while growing the GDP less than 2% a year. Such low expectations you have
 
Conservative said:
The GDP doubled, the revenue to the govt increased by over 60 percent and I am still waiting for you to show that massive military build up you claim Reagan had. Amazing how low your expectations are when it comes to the Obama record.
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Stop lying, Con?

Here are the real GDP numbers:

1980: 5,834.0
1988: 7,607.4

Actual gain: 30% (i.e., not double)

http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls
 
Conservative said:
The GDP doubled, the revenue to the govt increased by over 60 percent
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GDP now is 5 times the size of the budget, GDP has increased exponentially while fed spending has increased linearly.
and I am still waiting for you to show that massive military build up you claim Reagan had. Amazing how low your expectations are when it comes to the Obama record.
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What you can't find it for yourself?


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Conservative said:
The numbers are easy to address and are available. I know the numbers, apparently you don't and prefer to believe what you are told. The reality makes you look and sound foolish. I posted an article showing that Reagan proposed spending cuts that Congress said was dead on arrival and a 994 billion dollar budget for 242 million Americans. Today Obama proposed a budget of 3.77 trillion dollars for 312 million Americans. Reagan's budget cut the deficit whereas Obama's increases it. Reality sucks doesn't it?
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Not the numbers we were talking about. You changed the subje the second your claims fell apart.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
GDP now is 5 times the size of the budget, GDP has increased exponentially while fed spending has increased linearly. What you can't find it for yourself?


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Ever figure out what that massive increase in military spending was under Reagan? 200 billion when he took office to 350 billion in 1988. Keep reading your textbooks while ignoring the mess Obama has created for actual people today.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not the numbers we were talking about. You changed the subje the second your claims fell apart.
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You are very good at changing topics and ignoring the data posted because the data posted shows Obama to be exactly who he is, a total and complete incompetent failure.
 
Conservative said:
No,
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What is this? Are you denying that Reagan doubled the budget levels? Yes, you are.


Obama took a 3 trillion dollar budget and added 800 billion to it while growing the GDP less than 2% a year. Such low expectations you have
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Actually, the $3.5T (2009) budget has increased to $3.8T, a very small increase, not anywhere near the increases Reagan brought.
 
Conservative said:
Really? then why is the employment number still 2 million less than 2007 and the unemployed only 177,000 less than when Obama took office? you have such low expectations and simply buy what you are told. So much invested in the failed ideology of liberalism.
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Yes, really. You can look up the numbers if you don't believe me.
 
ocean515 said:
I suppose they do, but then again, on an anonymous blog, what would work?

If "something with a sufficient" were required of every post, this would be a very "quiet" place.
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For claims of cause and effect, studies are usually required, even here. Such as studies provided that showed taxes and regulations had minimal effect. You'll find those posted earlier. Even a link to business people supporting regulations.
 
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