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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

Boo Radley said:
Some ideas:


Business Coalition for Single Payer Healthcare The complete solution to health care, Now!

An Improved Medicare-for-all system provides business with many benefits:

It reduces labor costs by 10-12% (a 3.3% additional tax on wages* versus today's 10-15% of wages for medical insurance).
It reduces liability and auto insurance costs.
It reduces worker compensation costs, likely by half.
It eliminates health benefits management costs and yearly insurance company and labor contract negotiations for health care.
It creates healthier personnel and more employee stability, reduces absenteeism, and eliminates employer health system complaints.
It reduces the need for part-timers, and provides easier recruiting (no pre-existing disease or COBRA issues).
It eliminates employee health-related debt and personal bankruptcies.
It will expand the U.S. economy and business climate by freeing up family income to purchase new products and services.

Business Coalition


http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/docs/2012/Dollars and Sense.pdf

Healthcare-NOW! - Single-Payer
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Okay, how much does it cost everyone. I've seen the platitudes; I'm just haven't seen who will be required to pay what...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Okay, how much does it cost everyone. I've seen the platitudes; I'm just haven't seen who will be required to pay what...
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You don't see 3.3% increase in taxes?
 
Boo Radley said:
It was built on republican ideas, so what did you expect? ;)

But it does improve access, so at least you're getting more for your money.
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I'm not getting any more than I had before except higher premiums for our employees...
 
ocean515 said:
I don't think I made a claim about time period.

Please dispute the accuracy of my statement. Your post has no relevance.
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You said "since FDR", which would include 2000 to now. Manufacturing employment numbers remained fairly steady until 2000. Your statement was inaccurate as shown in the graph.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm not getting any more than I had before except higher premiums for our employees...
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As a country we are. Greater access. My insurance the lowest increase in years. Before Obama was elected, we had the largest increase in our history and lost much in coverage. That damned Obama. :coffeepap
 
Mithros said:
Ahhhhh yes, but there's a difference between what's good on the micro and what's good on the macro. Individual companies prosper when they get the most productivity for the least money. Economies are most successful when consumption is just under what can possibly be produced.

If wages exceed productivity, you end up with stagflation. That's because demand overtakes supply, driving costs up without the proper mechanisms for investment and growth. This happened in the 70's. If wages lag productivity, you end up with our economy.
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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with your premise. How would you suggest managing consumption so that it could be just under what can possibly be produced?
 
Boo Radley said:
You don't see 3.3% increase in taxes?
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3.3% tax on wages would bring in roughly double the amount currently collected for medicare and would need to cover 7-8 times the population. The math simply doesn't work...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You said "since FDR", which would include 2000 to now. Manufacturing employment numbers remained fairly steady until 2000. Your statement was inaccurate as shown in the graph.
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To be factual, I didn't "say" anything, I wrote the following:

The fact is, tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since FDR was President. It's undeniable.​

Please indicate to me how the above statement is inaccurate.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Cost containment has actually begun....and the ACA is not even in effect.

Besides, I already told you that those who get their primary care with ER services will get them from personal Dr's. Those costs will decline.
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Bold predictions, with no facts (liks?) to back them up. That did not happen with RomneyCare in MA, ER use did not decline, instead it increased.

Romneycare: More ER Crowding, Longer Doctor Wait Times - Forbes

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Massachusetts Reports Continued Rise in Emergency Room Usage | Heartlander Magazine

Massachusetts Health Stats: ER Use Up under RomneyCare; Romney Predicted Drop
 
ocean515 said:
To be factual, I didn't "say" anything, I wrote the following:
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Pedantic.

The fact is, tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since FDR was President. It's undeniable.

Please indicate to me how the above statement is inaccurate.
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I did, the inference was that manufacturing employment declined throughout the last 70 years, but in actuality they were concentrated in the period post 2000.

Do you need accuracy defined too?
 
ocean515 said:
I am not responsible for how you perceive words. Perhaps you should think about that...
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Inference is not perception. You were not being complimentary, you are continuing to be dishonest.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Pedantic.

I did, the inference was that manufacturing employment declined throughout the last 70 years, but in actuality they were concentrated in the period post 2000.

Do you need accuracy defined too?
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Thank you for confirming thousands of jobs were lost over the last 70 years, as I wrote.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Bold predictions, with no facts (liks?) to back them up. That did not happen with RomneyCare in MA, ER use did not decline, instead it increased.
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Study: Romneycare Lowered Uninsured Rate, Didn't Increase Hospital Costs - US News and World Report



Hanchate's study was also only able to look at inpatient hospital costs, not standard outpatient visits to general care providers, an omission which he admits could skew the numbers.

"The big benefit of having an insurance card is that you can see a primary care physician. With inpatient care, you can still walk into an emergency room even if you don't have insurance," he says. "But unfortunately, outpatient data doesn't exist. There are laws that require hospitals to submit information for every hospitalization to the state. There's no such mechanism for outpatient centers, so we're a little bit constrained there."
 
ocean515 said:
Thank you for confirming thousands of jobs were lost over the last 70 years, as I wrote.
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NO, they were lost in the last 13 years, not in the 57 years prior to 2000.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Pedantic.

I did, the inference was that manufacturing employment declined throughout the last 70 years, but in actuality they were concentrated in the period post 2000.

Do you need accuracy defined too?
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Here's a tip truth.

I wrote, "thousands of FACTORIES have disappeared since FDR was President"

In your zeal to engage, you altered what I posted to imply I was referring to EMPLOYMENT.

As you can see, I don't think I possess the brain to engage with you. My brain doesn't work in a manner that allows me to follow your thinking.
 
ocean515 said:
Here's a tip truth.

I wrote, "thousands of FACTORIES have disappeared since FDR was President"

In your zeal to engage, you altered what I posted to imply I was referring to EMPLOYMENT.

As you can see, I don't think I possess the brain to engage with you. My brain doesn't work in a manner that allows me to follow your thinking.
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Are we talking about buildings...or employment?

I know you have to keep going on and on, taking multiple swings at the same point, reviewing and trying to find a crack for your wedge, but again it is all just dishonest argument.
 
ocean515 said:
So you can't.

No problem.

Time to pick up my toys and get back to work.

Thanks for the interesting exchange.
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Definitely outside of the pram.

This is like the third time you have "quit" today.
 
ocean515 said:
No jobs were lost in the 57 years prior to 2000?

I'm thinking you might be mistaken there...
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OK... back to EMPLOYMENT.

I suppose one could now go absolutist and argue that "jobs were lost" in a discussion about US manufacturing, but as I made clear, the level of employment remained steady until 2000. I did not say the same people held the same jobs in manufacturing....so I guess you have that dishonest out also.
 
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