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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

Fenton said:
How is this "good news " ?
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To bring the unemployment rate down to 6.5% in 18 months (which would initiate the Fed's tapering), job growth has to average 197,000 per month.
 
Kushinator said:
To bring the unemployment rate down to 6.5% in 18 months (which would initiate the Fed's tapering), job growth has to average 197,000 per month.
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Shouldn't be a problem, just keep having people drop out of the labor market and stop looking for jobs. A stagnant labor force is a liberal's dream
 
Kushinator said:
Perhaps you can make a comment that isn't based on political vitriol?
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Perhaps you can address the stagnant labor force growth during the Obama term as well as the high numbers of discouraged workers during his term? Trumpeting 195000 jobs created without context is what ideologues do. How anyone can continue to support this empty suit is beyond comprehension.
 
Kushinator said:
To bring the unemployment rate down to 6.5% in 18 months (which would
initiate the Fed's tapering), job growth has to average 197,000 per month.
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If you say so Kush.

I'm guessing when it comes to the policies of BO your'e a glass half full kinda' guy.

I just don't share your'e optimisn.
 
Conservative said:
Perhaps you can address the stagnant labor force growth during the Obama term as well as the high numbers of discouraged workers during his term? Trumpeting 195000 jobs created without context is what ideologues do. How anyone can continue to support this empty suit is beyond comprehension.
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Oh con, you don't give a rats about the long term unemployed and you are not fooling anyone.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh con, you don't give a rats about the long term unemployed and you are not fooling anyone.
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Obviously Obama doesn't care and that is what matters. The more people who drop out of the labor market the lower the unemployment rate will go and that seems to be good enough for ideologues like you.
 
Conservative said:
Obviously Obama doesn't care and that is what matters. The more people who drop out of the labor market the lower the unemployment rate will go and that seems to be good enough for ideologues like you.
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So now, suddenly, Obama, the socialist, has become...one of you?

It is amazing how far some will twist their argument.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
So now, suddenly, Obama, the socialist, has become...one of you?

It is amazing how far some will twist their argument.
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What really is amazing to me is how someone who believes they are so smart can continue to fooled by the liberal ideology and the most inept, unqualified person to ever hold the office. I was a lot like you at one time, but grew out of it. Hopefully I am around to see that happen to you.
 
Conservative said:
What really is amazing to me is how someone who believes they are so smart can continue to fooled by the liberal ideology and the most inept, unqualified person to ever hold the office. I was a lot like you at one time, but grew out of it. Hopefully I am around to see that happen to you.
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nah i think warren g harding was the most inept president we ever had.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i think some people's argument's against obama has as many knots in it as a ratline of a sailing ship.
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Is it part of the liberal manual to defend another liberal regardless of the economic data and results? What is it about Obama that generates this loyalty? Must be his smile because it surely cannot be his results.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
nah i think warren g harding was the most inept president we ever had.
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How old were you when Harding was President? You seem to read what you want to read and buy what you are told rather than get independent non partisan data. I am sure that the current economy isn't hurting a lot of people living at home with their parents but for the 21 plus million unemployed/under employed/discouraged the inept President Obama is hurting badly. 1.8% GDP growth to a liberal is monumental, 2 million fewer people employed today is great because 195000 jobs were created last month, 6 trillion added to the debt doesn't matter because many liberals don't pay the debt service on that debt. Yes, Obama has transformed America into a European utopia, high unemployment, low economic growth, and high debt.
 
Conservative said:
There is no incentive for people to look for work with all the benefits available to them created by liberals thinking with their heart instead of their brain.
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no incentive? that's absurd. like i'm going to try to get fired so that i can get $300 a week and spend most of that on COBRA.

i understand the nuance-free talking point of makers and takers, but it's a lot more complex than that. being unemployed in 2009 was horrible. i got sick from the stress, which resulted in even more medical bills that i didn't need. when i finally got hired in 2010, i burst into tears.

and no, i'm not some responsible outlier. there are MANY like me. just keep in mind that when your worldview leaves only two options, it is incomplete or outright false 99 percent of the time.
 
Conservative said:
Is it part of the liberal manual to defend another liberal regardless of the economic data and results? What is it about Obama that generates this loyalty? Must be his smile because it surely cannot be his results.
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nothing about the Conservative ideas about governing america, whether it is espoused by McCain and Palin in 2008, mitt Romney in 2012, paul ryan and his draconian budgets, or the conservative house's obsession with implementing draconian cuts to social programs that millions of people depend on; appeal to me in the least. mainly because it shows the lack of empathy for the people who would suffer if the conservatives succed in gutting social security, medicare, medicaid, or unemployment benifits.

at least liberalism can understand what empathy is.
 
Conservative said:
What really is amazing to me is how someone who believes they are so smart can continue to fooled by the liberal ideology and the most inept, unqualified person to ever hold the office. I was a lot like you at one time, but grew out of it. Hopefully I am around to see that happen to you.
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Please prove President Obama is the least qualified person ever to hold office. He is in fact as qualified to hold the office as any of the 42 that have preceded him.
 
Conservative said:
What really is amazing to me is how someone who believes they are so smart can continue to fooled by the liberal ideology and the most inept, unqualified person to ever hold the office. I was a lot like you at one time, but grew out of it. Hopefully I am around to see that happen to you.
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And your argument has swapped back again, Obama is a liberal again.

For some who say that they became conservative means that they adopted Ayn Rand contempt for altruism and charity.
 
Helix said:
no incentive? that's absurd. like i'm going to try to get fired so that i can get $300 a week and spend most of that on COBRA.

i understand the nuance-free talking point of makers and takers, but it's a lot more complex than that. being unemployed in 2009 was horrible. i got sick from the stress, which resulted in even more medical bills that i didn't need. when i finally got hired in 2010, i burst into tears.

and no, i'm not some responsible outlier. there are MANY like me. just keep in mind that when your worldview leaves only two options, it is incomplete or outright false 99 percent of the time.
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Yes, too broad of a statement, my error. The reality is however there are far too many dependent on taxpayer assistance that if forced to take a job, any job, would do so rather than not eat. We have record numbers on food stamps, record numbers dependent on the taxpayers, record numbers on SS disability thus the fraud is rampant. There are many like you but in the real world I saw a lot like the ones I mentioned, lacking incentive to get off their butts.

My payroll had far too many people without incentive and living from paycheck to paycheck by their own desires. I never paid minimum wage, offered full benefits including healthcare for full and part time employees, educational reimbursement. Many took advantage of those opportunities but many others supplemented their income and drug habits by stealing and moving on to the next job when fired.

I admire people like you and hired many just like you, people who were grateful for the opportunity. Unfortunately there were far too many who wanted to take advantage of any opportunity, wanted to live for today, and gave the workforce a bad name.
 
Conservative said:
Obviously Obama doesn't care and that is what matters. The more people who drop out of the labor market the lower the unemployment rate will go and that seems to be good enough for ideologues like you.
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Except the Labor Force has been increasing. For a while it was still a lesser increase than population so that the participation rate was dropping, but since March, the participation rate has been going up. In the last two months, part of the increase was people returning to the labor force looking for work again.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And your argument has swapped back again, Obama is a liberal again.

For some who say that they became conservative means that they adopted Ayn Rand contempt for altruism and charity.
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Again? Obama has always been a leftwing liberal trying to transform American into a European economic model. He has succeeded with the help of people like you. You see proven results don't matter, only your perception and buying the flowering rhetoric of the left thus thinking only with your heart and not your brain.
 
Conservative said:
Again? Obama has always been a leftwing liberal trying to transform American into a European economic model. He has succeeded with the help of people like you. You see proven results don't matter, only your perception and buying the flowering rhetoric of the left thus thinking only with your heart and not your brain.
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This is pure Ayn Rand.

And you have gone from "Obama does not care for the unemployed"....to....."Obama is turning the US into a Euro Socialized model".

Your rhetoric is totally contradictory and senseless.
 
pinqy said:
Except the Labor Force has been increasing. For a while it was still a lesser increase than population so that the participation rate was dropping, but since March, the participation rate has been going up. In the last two months, part of the increase was people returning to the labor force looking for work again.
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During the Bush term the labor force increased by almost 11 million, during the Obama 5 yeas the labor force has increased 1.5 million. The labor participation rate of 63+ % is a disastrous number coming off one of the worst recessions in history and the cause of that is poor leadership and failure to support a pro growth economic policy. If more people were entering the labor force the unemployment rate would be going up, the problem is there were 1 million last month that stopped looking for work.

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS11000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Civilian Labor Force Level
Labor force status: Civilian labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2002 to 2012

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2002 143883 144653 144481 144725 144938 144808 144803 145009 145552 145314 145041 145066
2003 145937 146100 146022 146474 146500 147056 146485 146445 146530 146716 147000 146729
2004 146842 146709 146944 146850 147065 147460 147692 147564 147415 147793 148162 148059
2005 148029 148364 148391 148926 149261 149238 149432 149779 149954 150001 150065 150030
2006 150214 150641 150813 150881 151069 151354 151377 151716 151662 152041 152406 152732
2007 153144 152983 153051 152435 152670 153041 153054 152749 153414 153183 153835 153918
2008 154075 153648 153925 153761 154325 154316 154480 154646 154559 154875 154622 154626
2009 154236 154521 154143 154450 154800 154730 154538 154319 153786 153822 153833 153091
2010 153454 153704 153964 154528 154216 153653 153748 154073 153918 153709 154041 153613
2011 153250 153302 153392 153420 153700 153409 153358 153674 154004 154057 153937 153887
2012 154356(1) 154825 154707 154451 154998 155149 154995 154647 155056 155576 155319 155511
2013 155654(1) 155524 155028 155238 155658 155835
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Then there are the numbers of discouraged workers

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNU05026645
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Unadj) Not in Labor Force, Searched For Work and Available, Discouraged Reasons For Not Currently Looking
Labor force status: Not in labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Job desires/not in labor force: Want a job now
Reasons not in labor force: Discouragement over job prospects (Persons who believe no job is available.)
Years: 2002 to 2012

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403
2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433
2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442
2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451
2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274
2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027
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Gimmesometruth said:
This is pure Ayn Rand.

And you have gone from "Obama does not care for the unemployed"....to....."Obama is turning the US into a Euro Socialized model".

Your rhetoric is totally contradictory and senseless.
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Keep diverting from the Obama economic results as if that makes you sound smarter. Fact, your ideology is a failure and support for Obama makes you look foolish.

The charts I just posted shows that.
 
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