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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

Conservative said:
The operative word here for you is "seems" because you buy the rhetoric and ignore the totality of results. 195,000 is a big number for many but not in an economy that has 2 million fewer people employed today than when the recession began in December 2007 and a labor force that doesn't keep up with population growth. It has been over 4 years since the end of the recession and the numbers today are still worse than when the recession began over 6 years ago. I wonder if you would be so complimentary if these numbers were generated by a Repubiican President?
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Despite what you say the jobs report was a positive one, If Romney were sitting in the White House today, without a doubt you would be praising the report, but since he isn't we can count on you every first Friday of the month dissing the jobs report. That's really sad.
 
Conservative said:
What I suggest you do is read the bls report on the changes put into place in 1994.
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Perhaps you should read it and note that discouraged were part of the alternative U7 and not included in the definition of unemployed.

The only change to the definition of Unemployed was that before 1994, people who had been hired and expected to start work in the next 4 weeks were classified as unemployed whether or not they'd looked for work in the previous 4 weeks. That exception was dropped in 94.
 
pbrauer said:
Despite what you say the jobs report was a positive one, If Romney were sitting in the White House today, without a doubt you would be praising the report, but since he isn't we can count on you every first Friday of the month dissing the jobs report. That's really sad.
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Amazing how you seem to know what I would be saying today. This report 4 years after the end of the recession is NOT a good one and only shows the partisanship in the country today. You simply have no concept of reality. Fact I told you that the Obama economic policy was a disaster and you ignored it. Businesses are not hiring and Obama is doing nothing to encourage hiring. Until he is out of office this economy is going to flounder. Explain to us all how having a 14.3% unemployment rate is good economic news? Tell me how implementing policies that businesses are against is good economic policy?

I know I can count on you never admitting that you are wrong in your support for Obama which shows that you never ran any business at all
 
pinqy said:
Perhaps you should read it and note that discouraged were part of the alternative U7 and not included in the definition of unemployed.

The only change to the definition of Unemployed was that before 1994, people who had been hired and expected to start work in the next 4 weeks were classified as unemployed whether or not they'd looked for work in the previous 4 weeks. That exception was dropped in 94.
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Perhaps you should stop with the knit picking and answer the question, was this a good economic report? The U-3 number is the official number reported and that is different than it was prior to 1994. Discouraged workers are unemployed people and because their benefits have run out or they have stopped looking for work they are no longer in the official number
 
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Conservative said:
What do you call the over 1 million people who were discouraged last month and stopped looking for jobs? You see, hemorraghing jobs that you cannot see or aren't counted is never a problem for a liberal.
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LOL.....like I said....if Obama had an (R) behind his name you would be calling him the best thing since sliced bread. Only in your world is hemmorraghing jobs better than job gains. You are so transparent.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.....like I said....if Obama had an (R) behind his name you would be calling him the best thing since sliced bread. Only in your world is hemmorraghing jobs better than job gains. You are so transparent.
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Your opinion noted but what is also noted is how you totally ignore the actual numbers and data posted.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.....like I said....if Obama had an (R) behind his name you would be calling him the best thing since sliced bread....
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And you'd be whining that a million people gave up and stopped looking for work and complaining that he's destroying this country.
 
Conservative said:
. This report 4 years after the end of the recession is NOT a good one and only shows the partisanship in the country today.
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#1 Most Ironic Comment Of The Day award goes to....Conservative.

Well done!

:applaud
 
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Conservative said:
Amazing how you seem to know what I would be saying today. This report 4 years after the end of the recession is NOT a good one and only shows the partisanship in the country today. You simply have no concept of reality. Fact I told you that the Obama economic policy was a disaster and you ignored it. Businesses are not hiring and Obama is doing nothing to encourage hiring. Until he is out of office this economy is going to flounder. Explain to us all how having a 14.3% unemployment rate is good economic news? Tell me how implementing policies that businesses are against is good economic policy?

I know I can count on you never admitting that you are wrong in your support for Obama which shows that you never ran any business at all
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Businesses are doing fine, have you seen the DOW of late? The Great Bush Recession made many employers learn to get the job done with less people, so they are reluctant to hire people back. Couple that with the fact that the U.S. used to manufacture finished goods for the rest of the world, now we buy them from those other countries. Our balance of trade is negative. We used to be the biggest creditor nation in the world now we are one of the biggest debtor nation. Our country faces challenges no matter who is POTUS.
 
pbrauer said:
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Businesses are doing fine, have you seen the DOW of late? The Great Bush Recession made many employers learn to get the job done with less people, so they are reluctant to hire people back. Couple that with the fact that the U.S. used to manufacture finished goods for the rest of the world, now we buy them from those other countries. Our balance of trade is negative. We used to be the biggest creditor nation in the world now we are one of the biggest debtor nation. Our country faces challenges no matter who is POTUS.
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Again, another indication that you have no idea as to why businesses are doing fine. No concept of a business financial statement at all. I find it quite telling how low the expectations are of Obama supporters and the actual results certainly meet those low expectations. We are 4 years after the end of that recession and still there are 2 million fewer people working today than when the recession began and a labor force that has grown 1.5 million in 4 plus years.

You don't seem to understand the private sector at all and somehow believe that programs like Obamacare, massive govt. spending, demonizing individual wealth creation, higher taxes are pro growth economic policies and will create jobs. It really is a shame that we have so many like you who don't understand our economy.
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted but what is also noted is how you totally ignore the actual numbers and data posted.
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I don't ignore the numbers at all. I just don't pick them like a cafeteria like you do conservative. Anyone with half a brain can look at the economy today and what it was when GWB was in office and see that we are going better. While I would like to see us doing a LOT better than we are, I will take an improvement. The economy under your hero was headed for a depression. Have you forgotten the hundreds of thousands of jobs that this country was hemmoraghing every month? Or are you cafeteria selecting those memories as well?
 
disneydude said:
I don't ignore the numbers at all. I just don't pick them like a cafeteria like you do conservative. Anyone with half a brain can look at the economy today and what it was when GWB was in office and see that we are going better. While I would like to see us doing a LOT better than we are, I will take an improvement. The economy under your hero was headed for a depression. Have you forgotten the hundreds of thousands of jobs that this country was hemmoraghing every month? Or are you cafeteria selecting those memories as well?
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Yes, you are right, Bush was the devil and totally destroyed the economy all by himself without any help from the Democrat controlled Congress. That Bush economy was so bad that the GDP Grew from 9.9 trillion to 14.4 trillion and 10 million people were added to the labor force and through December 2007 146 million Americans were working. Yes that is cafeteria style reporting.

Your opinion is noted as you buy what you were told. Amazing isn't it that in June 2009 that economy going into depression came out of recession. What economic policies did Obama implement that were in effect in June 2009 that brought us out of recession?

There were over 1 million discouraged workers in June 2013 so please tell me when that devil GW Bush ever had a million discouraged workers? Tell me how 14.3% unemployment four years after the end of the recession is a good economic number? Tell us all how 1.8% GDP growth in the first quarter 2013 is good economic numbers? you have a very selective view of the economy and such low expectations. Wonder why?

Do you think that discouraged workers of over a million is hemmoraghing or are you like all liberals if it isn't counted they don't exist?
 
disneydude said:
I don't ignore the numbers at all. I just don't pick them like a cafeteria like you do conservative. Anyone with half a brain can look at the economy today and what it was when GWB was in office and see that we are going better. While I would like to see us doing a LOT better than we are, I will take an improvement. The economy under your hero was headed for a depression. Have you forgotten the hundreds of thousands of jobs that this country was hemmoraghing every month? Or are you cafeteria selecting those memories as well?
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That old excuse?

What the heck do yesterday's numbers have to do with 5 years ago? Or even two years ago.

The numbers describe the present employment situation in America.

Do you not have the emotional capacity to look at the numbers and make a judgement based only on recent figures?

If you don't, please let us know now so I can just assume that you are not capable of a frank discussion on the present employment situation in America.


Now...in your opinion, is this a good jobs reports?

Yes or no?
 
disneydude said:
I don't ignore the numbers at all. I just don't pick them like a cafeteria like you do conservative. Anyone with half a brain can look at the economy today and what it was when GWB was in office and see that we are going better. While I would like to see us doing a LOT better than we are, I will take an improvement. The economy under your hero was headed for a depression. Have you forgotten the hundreds of thousands of jobs that this country was hemmoraghing every month? Or are you cafeteria selecting those memories as well?
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How about an honest answer for a change. If you knew then that we would have 2 million fewer people employed, 1.8% GDP growth, over 6 trillion added to the debt, 14.3% unemployment, a stagnant labor force four years after then end of the recession would you still believe Obama met your standards or do you have such low standards?
 
DA60 said:
That old excuse?

What the heck do yesterday's numbers have to do with 5 years ago? Or even two years ago.

The numbers describe the present employment situation in America.

Do you not have the emotional capacity to look at the numbers and make a judgement based only on recent figures?

If you don't, please let us know now so I can just assume that you are not capable of a frank discussion on the present employment situation in America.


Now...in your opinion, is this a good jobs reports?

Yes or no?
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It is funny, you want to remove the context of the situation, while Con liked your comment yet wants to compare today with where we were prior to 2007!

I wish you guys could get on the same page.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
It is funny, you want to remove the context of the situation, while Con liked your comment yet wants to compare today with where we were prior to 2007!

I wish you guys could get on the same page.
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Why did you hire Obama if you didn't do it to create better results than the economy before the recession began? Do you think the population hasn't grown since 2007? Do you believe that 144 million working Americans vs 146 million working Americans is a good economic performance? Do you have such low personal expectations as apparently you have in political expectations?
 
Helix said:
not a horrible month. i agree that the money printing should stop.
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Weird, Wall Street reacted negatively to the fed hinting at slowing QE, but somehow you think doing this will improve the job market?
 
Conservative said:
Why did you hire Obama if you didn't do it to create better results than the economy before the recession began?
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Oh, we can all review how we thought the economy would end up post Bush recession aftermath, the point is where we are once the dust settled.....which is that we are much better off now....especially in comparison to other countries following the path you wanted.


Do you think the population hasn't grown since 2007?
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What a moronic question, "has the US population increased?" FFS!



Do you believe that 144 million working Americans vs 146 million working Americans is a good economic performance?
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Context free statements, Con. Since the bottoming of employment at the end of '09, we are way up.


Do you have such low personal expectations as apparently you have in political expectations?
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I have zero expectations in your ability to have an honest debate.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh, we can all review how we thought the economy would end up post Bush recession aftermath, the point is where we are once the dust settled.....which is that we are much better off now....especially in comparison to other countries following the path you wanted.


What a moronic question, "has the US population increased?" FFS!



Context free statements, Con. Since the bottoming of employment at the end of '09, we are way up.


I have zero expectations in your ability to have an honest debate.
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You really do not understand our economy at all. We are basically a private sector economy which makes us different than most other countries and it is the private sector that is making us better in spite of Obama and his anti private sector economic policies. You seem to think things are better than they were under Bush when the reality is you seem to think that Bush was in office only 2008.

Having an honest debate has to begin with understanding basic economic data which you have the inability to do. You seem to believe that Bush created the economic mess Obama inherited by himself and then totally ignore Obama's inability to generate the economic results to create incentive for the private sector to grow jobs and the economy. Were it not for govt. spending the GDP growth would be much lower than 1.8% which it was first quarter this year. The numbers don't lie in that there are 2 million less employed today than when the recession started and the 6 trillion added to the debt simply has gotten us back to the numbers Obama inherited.

When will you recognize that you made a mistake in voting for Obama?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Weird, Wall Street reacted negatively to the fed hinting at slowing QE, but somehow you think doing this will improve the job market?
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wall street reacts positively to all kinds of policies that don't work long term. the cocaine addict also reacts negatively when there is no coke to be found.
 
Helix said:
wall street reacts positively to all kinds of policies that don't work long term. the cocaine addict also reacts negatively when there is no coke to be found.
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Um, the economy is a heart attack victim still in need of anti-clotting IV drip, not an addict looking for a line.

I see you are succumbing to poor analogies instead of addressing my point.....how in the world would withdrawing QE improve the job market? Do you honestly believe that tightening the credit market will create more investment?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Runner-up Most Ironic Comment of the Day!
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Do you realize that all that govt spending has created another 6 trillion added to the debt and that when interest rates rise the debt service will rise from the fourth largest budget item to third or second? You see actual results don't really matter to you because you cannot see how those results affect your family nor do you care how they affect others.

The results speak for themselves.

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
Labor force status: Unemployed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2002 to 2012

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
2006 7064 7184 7072 7120 6980 7001 7175 7091 6847 6727 6872 6762
2007 7116 6927 6731 6850 6766 6979 7149 7067 7170 7237 7240 7645
2008 7685 7497 7822 7637 8395 8575 8937 9438 9494 10074 10538 11286
2009 12079 12881 13421 13826 14492 14705 14607 14819 15005 15382 15223 15095
2010 15016 15078 15192 15281 14856 14475 14542 14673 14577 14584 15094 14354
2011 13992 13798 13716 13872 13871 13964 13817 13837 13910 13696 13325 13049
2012 12748 12806 12686 12518 12695 12701 12745 12483 12082 12248 12042 12206
2013 12332 12032 11742 11659 11760 11777
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For over 6 trillion dollars in debt we have 300000 fewer reported unemployed yet over a million discouraged
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the economy is a heart attack victim still in need of anti-clotting IV drip, not an addict looking for a line.

I see you are succumbing to poor analogies instead of addressing my point.....how in the world would withdrawing QE improve the job market? Do you honestly believe that tightening the credit market will create more investment?
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It won't but how long do you think that Obama can support the printing of money while promoting anti growth private sector policies? Anti growth economic policies such as Obamacare, higher taxes, more regulations in conjunction with more money do not create permanent positive job creation.
 
Conservative said:
Do you realize that all that govt spending has created another 6 trillion added to the debt and that when interest rates rise the debt service will rise from the fourth largest budget item to third or second? You see actual results don't really matter to you because you cannot see how those results affect your family nor do you care how they affect others.

The results speak for themselves.
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Um, the bond vigilantes have been threatening the dreaded interest rate monsters for how many years now.......and yet what happens to those sold US bonds as these (practically non-existent) interest rate increases happen? Why the values decrease.....funny that.



For over 6 trillion dollars in debt we have 300000 fewer reported unemployed yet over a million discouraged
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Amazing how you move goal posts within a sentence!
 
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