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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Lighten up...
    What am I missing here, asked the question about discouraged workers and someone brings up Rick Perry? What does that have to do with the question?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Very little, thankfully.
    Tickled to death I live in TX, moved here in 1992 and have a good understanding of what this state has that most others do not and I wouldn't change it for anything.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What am I missing here, asked the question about discouraged workers and someone brings up Rick Perry? What does that have to do with the question?
    Go back and read the exact quote to which the reply was made, and you might see the humor...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, the u-6 number is unemployed, DISCOURAGED, and under employed.
    No, the U6 numerator is Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Part Time for Economic Reasons.

    Discouraged workers are people who dropped out because they couldn't find a job and saw no prospects of a job.
    Close....Discouraged are those who say they want to work, that they could have started a job last week if offered, had looked for work in the last year but not the last 4 weeks and whose reason for no longer looking is that they do not believe they be successful due to lack of jobs, lack of skill, education, or discrimination.

    It's a very subjective number and the margin of error is something like +/- 12%.

    The number is 21 million and has nothing to do with retirees.
    Unemployed 11,777,000 marginally attached 2,582,000 and part time for economic reasons 8,226,000 gives 22,585,000 That's what is ued ins the U6. Who said retirees were included in the U6? and you realize of course that more people than just discouraged leave the labor force? You seem to be using the 2 interchangebly.


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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    No, the U6 numerator is Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Part Time for Economic Reasons.

    Close....Discouraged are those who say they want to work, that they could have started a job last week if offered, had looked for work in the last year but not the last 4 weeks and whose reason for no longer looking is that they do not believe they be successful due to lack of jobs, lack of skill, education, or discrimination.

    It's a very subjective number and the margin of error is something like +/- 12%.

    Unemployed 11,777,000 marginally attached 2,582,000 and part time for economic reasons 8,226,000 gives 22,585,000 That's what is ued ins the U6. Who said retirees were included in the U6? and you realize of course that more people than just discouraged leave the labor force? You seem to be using the 2 interchangebly.


    One million is the Total number or discouraged in June, not the number who became discouraged.
    Do you have a point? The numbers I posted are accurate and show the number discouraged in the month of June. The total U-6 is 14.3% of the labor force so sounds like we are arguing about the same thing and are both showing that the 7.6% U-3 doesn't tell the entire story.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Well, the link doesn't explain what odd interpretation of Labor Force was being used or why the BLS number is "artificial."
    You weren't going to try and say[/B][/COLOR], that the US population didn't grow now were you?
    Why would I? But what does that have to do with the Labor Force? The Lalbor Force doesn't have to increase with the population...It tends to, of course, but with fewer young people entering and more of every one leaving, of course it shrank. It's recovered to pre-Obama, though not pre-recession levels.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Well, the link doesn't explain what odd interpretation of Labor Force was being used or why the BLS number is "artificial."
    Why would I? But what does that have to do with the Labor Force? The Lalbor Force doesn't have to increase with the population...It tends to, of course, but with fewer young people entering and more of every one leaving, of course it shrank. It's recovered to pre-Obama, though not pre-recession levels.
    Yeah I see you picked up some of it. The whole article explains it.....basically we are still under 2007 levels. Population has increased. That the recovery wasn't even set for, until 7 years later than which it explain out perfectly. Also It does show that back then they stated 229k jobs or 230k. Which was more of my concern with going thru his links on the fact of what the Economists were stating going back to 2009. Which the MS media doesn't like to mention to much.

    Course some are now saying they may not be hiring as many winter seasonal workers like they thought they were going to do.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Absolutely amazing, Debt when Obama took office 10.6 trillion dollars and 16.8 trillion today. That is a liberal success story. We pay debt service on the total debt not the percentage of GDP. Which is higher debt service on the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt or the 6.2 trillion Obama debt?
    No, debt to GDP is far more relevant than the gross amount debt in much the same way that your mortgage to your salary is much more relevant then the aggregate value of your mortgage. Government revenues are a function of GDP and grow with GDP growth (unless you are doing Bush tax cuts and like that kind of shooting yourself in the foot economics).

    But, actually your suggesting the debt service is much, much higher now than Reagan, I do not believe that is true. In fact, they should be remarkably similar. Consider interest rates, the largest part of debt service on 10 and 30 year treasuries, was substantially higher during the Reagan years than now, meaning your gross payments are not much different (again, just like your current mortgage payment buys a ton more house than it did in 1984).

    Though you may be factually correct on the amount of debt on1/1/09 and today, you would likely be in gross error ascribing all of the blame to Obama for the change in that debt.... but, then again, I appreciate the fact that being in such territory is within your comfort zone.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Actually, they are about the same. Interest rates, the largest part of debt service on 10 and 30 year treasuries, was substantially higher during the Reagan years.

    Though you may be factually correct on the amount of debt on1/1/09 and today, but you would be of gross error ascribing all of the blame to Obama for the change in that debt.... but, then again, I appreciate the fact that being in such territory is within your comfort zone.
    Tell me how much the 21 plus million Americans that are unemployed, under employed. discouraged are paying in Federal Income Taxes and how much the very poor economic growth is generating to reduce the deficit and debt? Obama economic policies and spending policies are what has caused the massive increase in debt. I do understand how ideologues who support Obama are blinded by that ideology and ignore the actual results.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is the good news to liberals, anyone that isn't counted to make the numbers look better is a boost to the liberal ideology. Over 1 million people were discouraged last month and the number of unemployed/discouraged and under employed is still 21 million. There were more unemployed last month than the previous month and the labor force is still down 2 million from the beginning of the recession. Only a true ideologue buys the surface rhetoric and never explores the actual data.
    That was the third-best June jobs report in the last 15 years. May and April's jobs numbers were revised higher by a combined 70,000 jobs. ONly in wingerland is that a bad number.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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