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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When we have a budget this high why does it have to increase at all? Don't care about budget increases, care about the debt generated.




    Do you realize how accurate CBO is? CBO is charged by the Congress to take the assumptions given and develop a cost estimate. If the assumptions are wrong, the cost estimates are wrong. That happens with CBO a lot, assumptions are mostly always wrong, look at the Obamacare costs today vs when initially passed?





    The American people need to get the facts, not one side of the facts. People around today that were around during the Reagan years know what the economy was like when Reagan took office and know what happened during his term. That same feeling isn't happening today because Obama lacks basic leadership skills and expertise.



    I gave you the average based upon employment numbers, that is terrible when you spend as much as Obama has spent to generate those numbers. Why do you buy what the left tells you when experience tells you that the projections are never right. Name for me an economic projection that Obama has made that has been accurate?




    The numbers regarding Bush aren't what you reported and I have posted those numbers here. Most of the job losses that hurt his numbers came with a Democrat controlled Congress more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job. I am a pro growth private sector individual and that is the exact opposite of Obama and liberalism today. I grew up a JFK Democrat but this party is no where near the party of JFK, it is the leftwing party, the European model party, the massive central govt. party
    Are you still pushing that steaming pile of BS? How exactly did the Democratic Congress create the recession that caused the job loss? Why all the job loss with the Bush tax cuts in place?

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most have done more than called upon to do. And doing more often costs more.

    But I linked how.
    Really? Another opinion? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? You buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. There isn't a govt. program that has cost what they were supposed to cost or do what they were supposed to do, all have become entitlements rather than supplements. No Obama economic projections have been accurate.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you still pushing that steaming pile of BS? How exactly did the Democratic Congress create the recession that caused the job loss? Why all the job loss with the Bush tax cuts in place?

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
    Need I remind you again that Bush isn't in office and "your" President's economic record is a disaster. You want badly to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results. Too bad you have such a poor understanding of leadership and the responsibilities of leadership. No wonder you want this to be about Bush to divert from someone whose results are worse. How did Obama generate this kind of loyalty? Results don't matter at all, do they when Obama is in the WH

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Btw, to everyone else...the question he refuses to answer is,

    Do you think this is a good jobs report - yes or no?

    And no, he has, to my sincere knowledge, not answered it - once or twice.

    It seems obvious he just doesn't want to but cannot just admit it.


    Why he refuses to type even a 'y' or an 'n' to end this; yet types hundreds of characters saying why he refuses to type one character ('y' or 'n') is beyond me.

    Pride I guess.
    could be because the answer can not be answered by a yes or a no.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? Another opinion? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? You buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. There isn't a govt. program that has cost what they were supposed to cost or do what they were supposed to do, all have become entitlements rather than supplements. No Obama economic projections have been accurate.
    It's not loyalty. You're stuck repeating stereotypical platitudes without ever checking them. The pst office did a hell of a job for a long, long time. SS does more than intended, and leaves people with a better life than thy had in the past. Medicare also beats what was available for elderly before it came into being. All business is messy. But these programs hold up pretty damn well all things considered.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Need I remind you again that Bush isn't in office and "your" President's economic record is a disaster. You want badly to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results. Too bad you have such a poor understanding of leadership and the responsibilities of leadership. No wonder you want this to be about Bush to divert from someone whose results are worse. How did Obama generate this kind of loyalty? Results don't matter at all, do they when Obama is in the WH
    Answer the question: How did the Democratic controlled Congress create the job loss?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Something Reagan did when he doubled payroll taxes on the self
    employed.
    Didn't Democrats control both houses under Reagan and didn't the Middle Class grow under Reagans economic policies.

    Jobs were added.

    I mean you libz can slam reagan all you want, your'e still doing it from a ridiculously weak position given our current economic situation.

    1.8% GDP, practically no net new jobs, huge increases in dependent spending...

    Still trying to figure out what you folks are so proud of.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not loyalty. You're stuck repeating stereotypical platitudes without ever checking them. The pst office did a hell of a job for a long, long time. SS does more than intended, and leaves people with a better life than thy had in the past. Medicare also beats what was available for elderly before it came into being. All business is messy. But these programs hold up pretty damn well all things considered.
    The post office has never been efficient and always loses money. Just like a liberal who cannot accept reality. The govt. isn't there to make your life easier, it was created to protect you. Govt is out of control as evidenced by the 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Budget. Why do we need a 3.8 trillion dollar budget? Our Founders are rolling over in their grave all because people like you want to delegate responsibility to a federal entity because you cannot influence your own state and local govt.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When we have a budget this high why does it have to increase at all? Don't care about budget increases, care about the debt generated.
    No.

    The budget is a bit more complicated than the end debt result. You want to talk up Reagan and trash Obama for spending? Fine, but don't shirk away when that actual data starts to chip away at your perceptions. I care about spending and revenue trends, I want the deficit to go down and hopefully one day start paying down our debts, and looking at these factors and where they have been and are going matter. Math matters.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you realize how accurate CBO is? CBO is charged by the Congress to take the assumptions given and develop a cost estimate. If the assumptions are wrong, the cost estimates are wrong. That happens with CBO a lot, assumptions are mostly always wrong, look at the Obamacare costs today vs when initially passed?
    The CBO is as accurate as it can be, it's not perfect and anyone would admit that. Life happens, laws get adjusted, hurricanes occur, economies shift, estimates change, not getting around that for sure. Problem is for the most part I'm using past and current budgets, spending, and jobs numbers to draw my conclusions, times already bygone and not chronologically able to be subjected to estimation. The only projections I've used were the $3.8 trillion spending estimate you gave based off of a budget request for FY 2013-2014, and the $3.53T spending estimated for the fiscal year ending in just three months.

    As for the ACA aka Obamacare, the CBO still is telling Paul Ryan that repealing the law would INCREASE the budget deficit.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ments/hr45.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The American people need to get the facts, not one side of the facts. People around today that were around during the Reagan years know what the economy was like when Reagan took office and know what happened during his term. That same feeling isn't happening today because Obama lacks basic leadership skills and expertise.
    People were on the sugar high, and I don't blame them at all. On the surface, we had a better economy and employment from between when Reagan took and left office, but at the cost of massive budget deficits for the time and mroe or less that start of the era of fiscal irresponsibility. It would be nice to see another 17 million jobs into the economy by the time Obama leaves office and I hope we get there. Thanks to Congressional stagnation and a shrinking pubic jobs sector, we're kind of trying to do this with one hand tied and I'm less than optimistic that we'll get there by January 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I gave you the average based upon employment numbers, that is terrible when you spend as much as Obama has spent to generate those numbers. Why do you buy what the left tells you when experience tells you that the projections are never right. Name for me an economic projection that Obama has made that has been accurate?
    You keep conflating "the left" with hard economic statistics, why?

    As for projections, as I said before, life happens and estimates change because of that. No projections from anyone are perfect or 100% accurate, certainly not Obama's any other president's. For the most part though, I'm not talking into the "maybes" but what has happened and what is happening now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The numbers regarding Bush aren't what you reported and I have posted those numbers here. Most of the job losses that hurt his numbers came with a Democrat controlled Congress more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job.
    That is laughably partisan and unprovable. Even the Wall Street Journal concedes that Bush's job numbers were lousy at best, and negative at worst.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am a pro growth private sector individual and that is the exact opposite of Obama and liberalism today.
    You say that, and yet the only job growth that has occurred under Obama and his big government liberal cabal has been pretty much exclusively in the private sector. Every month for the last 30 straight, the private jobs market has grown whereas the public market has shrunk.

    Which I'm okay with, the private sector should lead the way, but you know, "something something liberal socialism Obama something big govt. something cult" or whatever rhetoric the internet right-wingers are babbling about these days.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Answer the question: How did the Democratic controlled Congress create the job loss?
    By not addressing the housing problem before it imploded. Now how about answering the question, when are you going to hold Obama responsible for the poor economic results generated?

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