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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    NO, they were lost in the last 13 years, not in the 57 years prior to 2000.
    No jobs were lost in the 57 years prior to 2000?

    I'm thinking you might be mistaken there...

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is self evident.
    So you can't.

    No problem.

    Time to pick up my toys and get back to work.

    Thanks for the interesting exchange.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Here's a tip truth.

    I wrote, "thousands of FACTORIES have disappeared since FDR was President"

    In your zeal to engage, you altered what I posted to imply I was referring to EMPLOYMENT.

    As you can see, I don't think I possess the brain to engage with you. My brain doesn't work in a manner that allows me to follow your thinking.
    Are we talking about buildings...or employment?

    I know you have to keep going on and on, taking multiple swings at the same point, reviewing and trying to find a crack for your wedge, but again it is all just dishonest argument.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you can't.

    No problem.

    Time to pick up my toys and get back to work.

    Thanks for the interesting exchange.
    Definitely outside of the pram.

    This is like the third time you have "quit" today.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No jobs were lost in the 57 years prior to 2000?

    I'm thinking you might be mistaken there...
    OK... back to EMPLOYMENT.

    I suppose one could now go absolutist and argue that "jobs were lost" in a discussion about US manufacturing, but as I made clear, the level of employment remained steady until 2000. I did not say the same people held the same jobs in manufacturing....so I guess you have that dishonest out also.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm sorry, but I can't agree with your premise. How would you suggest managing consumption so that it could be just under what can possibly be produced?
    Businesses don't produce things they can't sell. Hence this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_utilization) is really a function of available consumption.

    As for how, supply side economics moves money from the consumer class to the investor class to fix stagflation. Demand side economics moves it back.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Oh, I see, so proposing a 3.8 trillion dollar budget isn't ballooning govt. spending?.
    For sake of the argument, let us assume that the country actually gets to spend the $3.8 trillion requested by Obama. The last budget year (2011-2012) saw expenditures under what was projected, but sake of the argument like I said.

    Compared to what the spending was in Obama's first year in office ($3.51 trillion, and I'm being really nice since this was the actual spending for the FY2008-2009 and Obama was in office for only 9 months of said fiscal year.), no. That's an 8% increase from then to now, assuming again $3.8 trillion will be spent. Actual spending in the last full fiscal year, 2012-2013, is estimated to be $3.53 trillion according to the CBO. Unless we there's an unexpected emergency expenditure, this should hold.

    Now if we were to compare spending between Reagan's first budget and his in 1985, you get $678 billion in spending in 1981 and $852B in '84. I'm using the '84 budget vs the '12 budget for the sake of fairness and accuracy since we haven't even begun FY2013-2014.

    An 8% projected estimate under Obama according to you, 1% actual CBO estimate, vs. 21.5% actual under Reagan. If 1-8% is "ballooning", then we need to find a better word for Reagan's spending habits. Shoot, the actual raw numbers show that spending went up less under Obama compared to Reagan.

    Don't get me wrong, having said all of that lol, I think we should do more than just slow growth in expenditures. We need to cut spending in order to help reduce the deficit and Obama and Congress need to do more than they already have to peruse that goal, but Reagan's fiscal habits are not something we should follow. It would grow jobs in the public sector and we most certainly wouldn't see the decrease in government employment we have been witnessing over almost every month in the last four years, and there'd be a resulting decrease in total unemployment in the public and private markets; but, it would be fiscally irresponsible and right now would be inconceivable to see such jumps in spending pass Congress.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Study: Romneycare Lowered Uninsured Rate, Didn't Increase Hospital Costs - US News and World Report



    Hanchate's study was also only able to look at inpatient hospital costs, not standard outpatient visits to general care providers, an omission which he admits could skew the numbers.

    "The big benefit of having an insurance card is that you can see a primary care physician. With inpatient care, you can still walk into an emergency room even if you don't have insurance," he says. "But unfortunately, outpatient data doesn't exist. There are laws that require hospitals to submit information for every hospitalization to the state. There's no such mechanism for outpatient centers, so we're a little bit constrained there."
    There are very few people here with the passion that you have for supporting mediocrity and poor economic performance. Are you on the Obama or Federal Payroll? I have never seen someone so dedicated to massive expansion of the Federal Govt. all on the "promise" that costs will be contained and jobs will be created when none of that has ever happened. Now it is promoting single payer. Where are the doctors going to come from to provide those services?

    You really are very naïve and post information that doesn't tell the whole story. What good is total access if you cannot find a doctor? What good is access if the waiting period is so long that you aren't assured of prompt treatment for your ailments?

    Why do you continue to buy what you are told but never do any followup research. MA medical expenses are the highest in the nation, access is available but service is poor, there is a shortage of doctors and a massive outreach to attract doctors to the state which isn't working.

    I realize that nothing anyone says is going to get through to you but your support for liberalism and their promises is misguided at best and borders on total and complete ignorance of reality.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Study: Romneycare Lowered Uninsured Rate, Didn't Increase Hospital Costs - US News and World Report



    Hanchate's study was also only able to look at inpatient hospital costs, not standard outpatient visits to general care providers, an omission which he admits could skew the numbers.

    "The big benefit of having an insurance card is that you can see a primary care physician. With inpatient care, you can still walk into an emergency room even if you don't have insurance," he says. "But unfortunately, outpatient data doesn't exist. There are laws that require hospitals to submit information for every hospitalization to the state. There's no such mechanism for outpatient centers, so we're a little bit constrained there."
    What a crock! ER use was not even mentioned. Hospital costs should decrease dramatically as the number of insured increases, simply because insured patients can pay (more of) their hospital bill - duh.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    3.3% tax on wages would bring in roughly double the amount currently collected for medicare and would need to cover 7-8 times the population. The math simply doesn't work...
    Of course it does. The high users are already on Medicare. They make up the overwhelming majority of the cost. It's downhill after that. The math works.

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