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Boo Radley said:
That's 25%. Not 50 nor 75. :lamo
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Notice you didn't post the other results from more general doctors, further that was a survey of Heart Doctors. What is it about liberals like you who have such support for Govt. programs that are too expensive and never solve social problems?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
An opinion I can understand, but it does not change the facts. Oh, BTW, were there any tea party members of Congress elected in 2008?
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Don't say they were elected. But they made the most noise concerning health - mostly wrong, ignorant, and hyperbolic noise. They poisoned the discourse. Made better reform next to impossible. As republican Grassley tried to explain that even though tea party peopleatthe town hall meetings were wrong and misinformed, congress had to them credence because they FELT it so strongly (touchy freely republican). Their poison had a strong effect on what happened. It's dishonest to pretend it didn't.
 
Conservative said:
What I find disturbing is how much confidence you have in a Federal Govt. that has run up a 17 trillion dollar debt and has never implemented a social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, actually solve a problem and go away. Why is that?
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What you have is a misunderstanding of how that happened (and from nearly the beginning of this nation) and the responsibility all of us share. It's is false to blame the government, as if it were separate from us.
 
Conservative said:
Notice you didn't post the other results from more general doctors, further that was a survey of Heart Doctors. What is it about liberals like you who have such support for Govt. programs that are too expensive and never solve social problems?
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That's all I needed to dispute you. But if you can't look up law suits isn't the only reason for tests, let me know and I'll do it for you. But frankly, your article supports what I said.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's all I needed to dispute you. But if you can't look up law suits isn't the only reason for tests, let me know and I'll do it for you. But frankly, your article supports what I said.
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Nice diversion and distortion of reality. I gave you studies one from a Heart Surgeon Study along with another of a more general in nature showing that Doctors are ordering more tests tp prevent law suits and still you defend the indefensible. I don't even believe you know what you said.
 
Boo Radley said:
What you have is a misunderstanding of how that happened (and from nearly the beginning of this nation) and the responsibility all of us share. It's is false to blame the government, as if it were separate from us.
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The ultimate responsibility for what we have is us, just like the ultimate responsibility for personal responsibility issues is ours as well.
 
Helix said:
not a horrible month. i agree that the money printing should stop.
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Anyone think they should increase minimum wage as a function of how much new money is spewn into the system?
 
Conservative said:
Govt. has no business telling private business what to pay their employees, let the market decide as it should. there is a reason that McDonald Employees $15 an hour as that what the market demands.

McDonald's pays $15 an hour! STARTING WAGE AND HIGHER!
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Minimum wage protects the citizens - its a good thing

thats great that somewhere in North Dakota McDonald's hired a few people for $15 per hour.... what about the rest of the country? Nice try, but some people actually read links :)
 
Conservative said:
Govt. has no business telling private business what to pay their employees, let the market decide as it should. there is a reason that McDonald Employees $15 an hour as that what the market demands.

McDonald's pays $15 an hour! STARTING WAGE AND HIGHER!
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Minimum wage protects the citizens - its a good thing

thats great that somewhere in North Dakota McDonald's hired a few people for $15 per hour.... what about the rest of the country? Nice try, but some people actually read links :)
 
MusicAdventurer said:
Minimum wage protects the citizens - its a good thing

thats great that somewhere in North Dakota McDonald's hired a few people for $15 per hour.... what about the rest of the country? Nice try, but some people actually read links :)
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What North Dakoka shows is that strong economic growth works and affects wages positively. Instead of looking to the govt. for help actually stunts economic growth
 
Conservative said:
What North Dakoka shows is that strong economic growth works and affects wages positively. Instead of looking to the govt. for help actually stunts economic growth
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This alone doesn't show that at all. You need more than a statement about a few people making $15 an hour in North Dakota at a McDonald's to support your argument.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
This alone doesn't show that at all. You need more than a statement about a few people making $15 an hour in North Dakota at a McDonald's to support your argument.
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Why then are the businesses in North Dakota paying well above the minimum wage in all categories, not just McDonalds?
 
Conservative said:
Why then are the businesses in North Dakota paying well above the minimum wage in all categories, not just McDonalds?
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Where is the data link? Where is the evidence of a lack of minimum wage causing this? Your argument needs support with applicable data/evidence.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
Where is the data link? Where is the evidence of a lack of minimum wage causing this? Your argument needs support with applicable data/evidence.
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Do you understand supply and demand? Do you understand that it is businesses responsibility to make a profit and in most it takes employees. No business is going to pay more than required to get employees. The market in North Dakota has greater demand than supply and that demand is being created by economic growth and activity. McDonald's has to pay the prices they are paying as do other businesses to get employees to work for them. Increase activity, increase demand for employees and wages will go up. That is reality.
 
Conservative said:
Do you understand supply and demand? Do you understand that it is businesses responsibility to make a profit and in most it takes employees. No business is going to pay more than required to get employees. The market in North Dakota has greater demand than supply and that demand is being created by economic growth and activity. McDonald's has to pay the prices they are paying as do other businesses to get employees to work for them. Increase activity, increase demand for employees and wages will go up. That is reality.
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Everyone understands that...

However you still haven't provided the evidence mentioned before

If businesses are forced to pay a minimum wage... they will and always have found ways to make profit despite the minimum wage - its a protection for citizens.. its a very simple concept
 
MusicAdventurer said:
Everyone understands that...

However you still haven't provided the evidence mentioned before

If businesses are forced to pay a minimum wage... they will and always have found ways to make profit despite the minimum wage - its a protection for citizens.. its a very simple concept
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You don't seem to get it, but minimum wage encourages companies to pay less than maybe the market would demand, it is economic activity that determines the supply. Minimum wages could serve as maximum wages a company has to pay. Let the market grow, encourage economic activity and the market will drive wages up, it is happening wherever there is growth
 
Conservative said:
You don't seem to get it, but minimum wage encourages companies to pay less than maybe the market would demand, it is economic activity that determines the supply. Minimum wages could serve as maximum wages a company has to pay. Let the market grow, encourage economic activity and the market will drive wages up, it is happening wherever there is growth
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I see you still have neglected to provide the evidence.... I'm starting to feel like you simply found a obscure quote somewhere and tried to sell it as evidence... prove me wrong please...

Minimum wage is actually a maximum wage?! ROFL. I am familiar with job markets... many people make over minimum wage in the area I live, simply because of supply and demand. A minimum wage does not become a maximum wage. As stated before, it is actually a safety to protect against unethical payment for services. You have to understand that by now.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
I see you still have neglected to provide the evidence.... I'm starting to feel like you simply found a obscure quote somewhere and tried to sell it as evidence... prove me wrong please...

Minimum wage is actually a maximum wage?! ROFL. I am familiar with job markets... many people make over minimum wage in the area I live, simply because of supply and demand. A minimum wage does not become a maximum wage. As stated before, it is actually a safety to protect against unethical payment for services. You have to understand that by now.
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Sorry but my experience says differently. Spent 35 years in the business world and employed thousands. I never paid minimum wage because the market wouldn't allow it and that is the point. Now we have more people seeking fewer jobs and thus workers are being paid minimum wages because that is what they are required to pay. States with pro growth economic policies have private business forced to pay higher wages.

The answer to wage increases is not setting a minimum wage but establishing pro growth economic policies that generate demand. A minimum wage sets the bar which may be too low. The market will decide.

By the way, not sure what evidence you want since North Dakota obviously doesn't meet your standards.
 
Conservative said:
Nice diversion and distortion of reality. I gave you studies one from a Heart Surgeon Study along with another of a more general in nature showing that Doctors are ordering more tests tp prevent law suits and still you defend the indefensible. I don't even believe you know what you said.
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Only 25%. That's what your article reported. No distortion. That's what it reported. Therefore, 75% do it for other reasons. Thanks for the support. ;)
 
Conservative said:
The ultimate responsibility for what we have is us, just like the ultimate responsibility for personal responsibility issues is ours as well.
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Read what I wrote again. Compare it and your answer here to what I originally responded to. Then go :doh
 
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