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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    So we lose 240,000 full-time jobs, and replace them with a buch of part-time jobs, and Democrats call this progress?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...-plunge-240000
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    You can always count on the Republicans/conservatives to hate good news under Obama.
    And you can also count on liberals to twist and contort the numbers every which way possible to try to make chicken salad out of chicken excrement.

    Exchanging full-time work for part-time work is not progress.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'll be interested, going forward, to see if the White House announcement that they won't implement the Obamacare mandate on business affects small business hiring going forward, at least in the short term. If small business employment spikes, not just by these seasonal numbers, then it would indicate that Obamacare is, indeed, a damper on employment, as many people including myself believe.
    Is universal healthcare damaging Canada's employment too? If not, why not implement a Canadian type system here? I'm sure you would not give your HC up, would you?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And you can also count on liberals to twist and contort the numbers every which way possible
    Amusing. I saw nothing in the OP which twisted anything. The only people I've seen twist are the ones like...well...

    Exchanging full-time work for part-time work is not progress.
    ...yes, you.

    Thank you for further proving me right. Republicans/conservatives HATE when there's good news. Quite frankly, I think it's rather un-American of you.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Is universal healthcare damaging Canada's employment too? If not, why not implement a Canadian type system here? I'm sure you would not give your HC up, would you?
    You'd have my agreement.

    It's not as easy as you think to do and it's not as comprehensive as you may think it is but I far more support it than being forced into either purchasing a plan from a third party or paying a penalty for not doing so.

    Our healthcare plan only provides for the basics and catastrophic care and services are not readily available in multiple choices with little or no delay. In addition, for drugs, dental care, eyecare, physiotherapy, chiropractic, medical devices, etc., the user pays for all in most instances or for a portion if on some form of government assistance. And additional services and coverages are being removed every year as our population ages and the costs of serving an aging and growing public skyrockets. It's why most people purchase additional insurance coverage or contract for their employer to provide a plan of coverage.

    We pay much higher person income taxes than you do and far more people pay those taxes than in your country. Our basic exemption from payment of federal income taxes is around $11,000 and in my Province, Ontario, we also pay an additional healthcare premium on top of regular taxes based on income.

    We don't have anywhere near your tax exemptions either - we don't get mortgage interest deductions, as an example, and yet our homes for the most part cost more to own and service.

    What are you prepared to give up both in independence and higher cost to have a less comprehensive healthcare system but one that's there when you really need it.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    I certainly hope that the slight up tick of numbers is not just propaganda, but remain skeptical.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Is universal healthcare damaging Canada's employment too? If not, why not implement a Canadian type system here? I'm sure you would not give your HC up, would you?
    I have lived in both America and Canada for many years.

    My opinion of the two health cares is:

    - if you are rich, America's is far superior.

    - if you are middle class, America's is slightly superior.

    - if you are poor, Canada's is far superior.


    I find Canada's healthcare is designed for regular maintenance (like GP visits - which are free) and emergency care.

    A Canadian businessman I personally know had an accident and broke his pelvis. Because that (apparently) is a very important part of good health, he needed a metal plate put in right away (though his life was not in imminent danger). He had the accident on Saturday and by Monday or Tuesday he had the new plated surgically fitted. And of course they did a very good job and he is fine now.
    You would be hard pressed to beat that anywhere...even in America with 'Cadillac' health insurance.
    However, in the same Atlantic province, you have urologists that will only see serious cases because they are so backed up.

    If you need to see a GP for something simple/straightforward or you have a real life threatening situation - I think the Canadian system is very good.

    But everything else - it's pretty hit and miss...with some VERY long wait times for many things.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    You can always count on the Republicans/conservatives to hate good news under Obama.
    Here is the good news to liberals, anyone that isn't counted to make the numbers look better is a boost to the liberal ideology. Over 1 million people were discouraged last month and the number of unemployed/discouraged and under employed is still 21 million. There were more unemployed last month than the previous month and the labor force is still down 2 million from the beginning of the recession. Only a true ideologue buys the surface rhetoric and never explores the actual data.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I certainly hope that the slight up tick of numbers is not just propaganda, but remain skeptical.
    Here are the numbers the Obama supporters want to ignore. Notice the discouraged workers and u-6 percentage

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS13000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
    Labor force status: Unemployed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 2000 to 2010
    Unemployed
    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
    2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
    2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
    2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
    2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
    2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
    2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
    2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
    2008 7678 7491 7816 7631 8395 8578 8950 9450 9501 10083 10544 11299
    2009 12049 12860 13389 13796 14505 14727 14646 14861 15012 15421 15227 15124
    2010 14953 15039 15128 15221 14876 14517 14609 14735 14574 14636 15104 14393
    2011 13919 13751 13628 13792 13892 14024 13908 13920 13897 13759 13323 13097
    2012 12748 12806 12686 12518 12695 12701 12745 12483 12082 12248 12042 12206
    2013 12332 12032 11742 11659 11760 11777

    Discouraged workers
    2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
    2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
    2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
    2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
    2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
    2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027

    Unemployed + Discouraged
    2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152 11941
    2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088 16053
    2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386 15711
    2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419 14042
    2012 13807 13812 13551 13486 13525 13522 13597 13327 12884 13061 13021 13274
    2013 13136 12917 12545 12577 12540 12804 0 0 0 0 0 0

    Labor Force 2009 154185 154424 154100 154453 154805 154754 154457 154362 153940 154022 153795 153172
    Labor Force 2011 153250 153302 153392 153420 153700 153409 153358 153674 154004 154057 153937 153887
    Labor Force 2012 154395 154871 154707 154365 155007 155163 155013 154645 155053 155641 155319 155511
    Labor Force 2013 155654 155524 155028 155238 155658 155835

    UE 2009 w/o DW 7.81% 8.33% 8.69% 8.93% 9.37% 9.52% 9.48% 9.63% 9.75% 10.01% 9.90% 9.87%
    UE 2010 w/o DW 9.70% 9.74% 9.82% 9.85% 9.61% 9.38% 9.46% 9.55% 9.47% 9.50% 9.82% 9.40%
    UE 2011 w/o DW-U-3 9.08% 8.97% 8.88% 8.99% 9.04% 9.14% 9.07% 9.06% 9.02% 8.93% 8.65% 8.51%
    UE 2012 w/o DW 8.26% 8.27% 8.20% 8.11% 8.19% 8.19% 8.22% 8.07% 7.79% 7.87% 7.75% 7.85%
    UE 2013 w/o DW 7.92% 7.74% 7.57% 7.51% 7.56% 7.56%

    2009 U-3 With DW 8.29% 8.80% 9.13% 9.41% 9.88% 10.03% 10.00% 10.12% 10.21% 10.54% 10.46% 10.48%
    2010 U-3 With DW 10.45% 10.60% 10.51% 10.70% 10.38% 10.25% 10.30% 10.31% 10.25% 10.29% 10.64% 10.21%
    UE 2011 with DW 9.73% 9.64% 9.48% 9.63% 9.57% 9.78% 9.80% 9.69% 9.70% 9.56% 9.37% 9.12%
    UE 2012 with DW 8.94% 8.92% 8.76% 8.74% 8.73% 8.71% 8.77% 8.62% 8.31% 8.39% 8.38% 8.54%
    UE 2013 with DW 8.44% 8.31% 8.09% 8.10% 8.06% 8.22%

    U-6 Numbers
    2009 14.2 15.1 15.7 15.8 16.4 16.5 16.5 16.7 16.8 17.2 17.1 17.1
    2010 16.7 16.9 16.9 17 16.6 16.5 16.5 16.6 16.9 16.8 16.9 16.6
    2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2 16.4 16 15.6 15.2
    2012 15.1 15.0 14.5 14.5 14.8 14.8 14.9 14.7 14.7 14.5 14.4 14.4
    2013 14.4 14.3 13.8 13.9 13.8 14.3

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is the good news to liberals, anyone that isn't counted to make the numbers look better is a boost to the liberal ideology. Over 1 million people were discouraged last month and the number of unemployed/discouraged and under employed is still 21 million. There were more unemployed last month than the previous month and the labor force is still down 2 million from the beginning of the recession. Only a true ideologue buys the surface rhetoric and never explores the actual data.
    You just made Sly's point for him.

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