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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

Conservative said:
more excuses for Obama. Are you ever going to hold him accountable for the stagnant economy, poor job creation, and massive debt? Leadership is about taking responsibility and creating the incentive to deal with the hand you are dealt. Obama and liberals don't understand the concept. It is always someone else's fault for liberal low performance and expectations.
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It's not an excuse, it's fact. You know damn well finished goods are now longer produced in this country. The fact is that tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since Reagan was president. Its undeniable, our balance of trade is negative, when Reagan was president it was positive. Adam Smith is rolling in his grave.
 
DA60 said:
Lol.

So instead of typing 'y' or 'n'...

...you type all the above instead?

Okaaaaaaaay.
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So instead of reading the answer I've given twice already, you continue to ask?

Okaaaaaaaay.

I guess you really don't want to answer my simple 'yes or no' question.
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I already have. Twice.

Then I will bother you no further for the answer.
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You could have said that when I answered your question either of the two previous times. But at least you're finally stopping your nonsense.

Have a nice day.
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It's already gotten better.
 
pbrauer said:
It's not an excuse, it's fact. You know damn well finished goods are now longer produced in this country. The fact is that tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since Reagan was president. Its undeniable, our balance of trade is negative, when Reagan was president it was positive. Adam Smith is rolling in his grave.
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You can blame the US consumer's desire to have more at a lower price for this...
 
pbrauer said:
It's not an excuse, it's fact. You know damn well finished goods are now longer produced in this country. The fact is that tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since Reagan was president. Its undeniable, our balance of trade is negative, when Reagan was president it was positive. Adam Smith is rolling in his grave.
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Neither are buggy whips or a lot of other manufacturing items that have been replaced by new industries like new technology. Stop making excuses for Obama whose poor leadership skills failed to adapt to the changing market conditions and the world economy. Obama is tying the hands of private business and will never see economic performance that this country is used to so I guess we can expect continued excuses from supporters. If you had as many excuses as you provide for Obama you wouldn't have survived in your career.
 
pbrauer said:
It's not an excuse, it's fact. You know damn well finished goods are now longer produced in this country. The fact is that tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since Reagan was president. Its undeniable, our balance of trade is negative, when Reagan was president it was positive. Adam Smith is rolling in his grave.
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Actually, I think the world started before Reagan. The fact is, tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since FDR was President. It's undeniable.
 
ocean515 said:
:shock:


Last time I checked, 1973 was 40 years ago, and GM had a 44% market share. Also, the infamous Jobs Bank the UAW forced on GM hadn't been started yet.

I don't think you want to go here again Truth...
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The discussion was of the time period when GM lost it's greatest share of the market, you have shifted the goal posts, along with ignoring the subsidization the imports always had and our lack of protecting our industries. You did this before, you do it now, I expect you to continue. You refuse to learn anything.
 
ocean515 said:
Actually, I think the world started before Reagan. The fact is, tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since FDR was President. It's undeniable.
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Actually, the greatest amount of US manufacturing job declines began under W, while productivity has risen and wages have stagnated/declined.

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AlabamaPaul said:
Health care costs in the country are estimated to be approximately 1/6 of the US economy or about $2.4T/year. That would be a lot of taxes...
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It's money your already paying one way or another. And again, you cut out administrative costs, large pools have lower premimum costs, and you can't get bigger than everyone. We also know every single payer system pays out less than we do.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The discussion was of the time period when GM lost it's greatest share of the market, you have shifted the goal posts, along with ignoring the subsidization the imports always had and our lack of protecting our industries. You did this before, you do it now, I expect you to continue. You refuse to learn anything.
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LOL.

You know, I don't think I possess the type of brain required to engage with you. I think it best to leave you to your efforts.

Thanks for taking the time to try.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's money your already paying one way or another. And again, you cut out administrative costs, large pools have lower premimum costs, and you can't get bigger than everyone. We also know every single payer system pays out less than we do.
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I'm just asking you who would pay and how much...
 
ocean515 said:
I think you are correct that there may not be a single right answer.

For example, where does the effect of imported goods come into play, as it relates to increases in productivity, without an increase in wages?

For example, to combat decreasing market share, and therefore decreasing revenues, the automobile industry fought with the UAW to increase productivity in order to lower fixed and variable labor costs attached to each car manufactured. With high wages, and lower productivity, US auto makers found it increasingly difficult to compete, and still have enough revenue to support R&D.

Raw numbers would not account for this shift, but would reflect the increased gap, which could be misinterpreted.
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Ahhhhh yes, but there's a difference between what's good on the micro and what's good on the macro. Individual companies prosper when they get the most productivity for the least money. Economies are most successful when consumption is just under what can possibly be produced.

If wages exceed productivity, you end up with stagflation. That's because demand overtakes supply, driving costs up without the proper mechanisms for investment and growth. This happened in the 70's. If wages lag productivity, you end up with our economy.
 
Slyfox696 said:
So instead of reading the answer I've given twice already, you continue to ask?

Okaaaaaaaay.

I already have. Twice.

You could have said that when I answered your question either of the two previous times. But at least you're finally stopping your nonsense.

It's already gotten better.
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Btw, to everyone else...the question he refuses to answer is,

Do you think this is a good jobs report - yes or no?

And no, he has, to my sincere knowledge, not answered it - once or twice.

It seems obvious he just doesn't want to but cannot just admit it.


Why he refuses to type even a 'y' or an 'n' to end this; yet types hundreds of characters saying why he refuses to type one character ('y' or 'n') is beyond me.

Pride I guess.
 
ocean515 said:
Actually, I think the world started before Reagan. The fact is, tens of thousands of factories have disappeared since FDR was President. It's undeniable.
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Just go into any store and see how many items are manufactured in this country. It's almost none.
 
Fenton said:
What a ridiculously ignorant statement.

They do when they sign job killing bills like ObamaCare and Frank Dodd.

They do when they mandate new regulations via FIAT that put bullseyes on American industries under the pretense of environmental catastrophe.

They do when their FED appointee pumps TRILLIONS into the financial markets and loads up the Central bank books with toxic debt.

They most certainly DO control economies.
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Nonsense.

1. Do the regulations address a need or not. Be specific. And frankly, nothing loses American jobs more than having healthcare attached. You want American jobs? Easy. Remove health care and work fir cents on the dollar.

2. The market loaded up toxic debt. It was a lack of regulation there.


So, no, they do not control the economy.
 
DA60 said:
Btw, to everyone else...the question he refuses to answer is,

Do you think this is a good jobs report - yes or no?
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And to those same people, I'll point out I've already answered it twice. He even quoted one of my posts which contained my answer one of those times, even as he asked me the same question again. So it's not that I'm refusing to answer it, it's that I'm refusing to answer it a third time to someone who clearly isn't interested in reading my answer.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL.

You know, I don't think I possess the type of brain required to engage with you. I think it best to leave you to your efforts.

Thanks for taking the time to try.
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Dishonest debate topped with ad hominems....the conservative way.
 
pbrauer said:
Just go into any store and see how many items are manufactured in this country. It's almost none.
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So what has Obama done other than drive up wages to affect manufacturing jobs in this country? Apparently your personal income is such that you have no problem paying higher costs for American goods. Do you have a solution or just more whining? Doubt you are proposing Asian wages in this country to keep costs down?
 
Boo Radley said:
We would. And how much would depend on the plan. But it would have to be less than we are now.
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The ACA was supposed to reduce costs as well, but that hasn't occurred...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Actually, the greatest amount of US manufacturing job declines began under W, while productivity has risen and wages have stagnated/declined.

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I don't think I made a claim about time period.

Please dispute the accuracy of my statement. Your post has no relevance.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm just asking you who would pay and how much...
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Some ideas:


Business Coalition for Single Payer Healthcare The complete solution to health care, Now!

An Improved Medicare-for-all system provides business with many benefits:

It reduces labor costs by 10-12% (a 3.3% additional tax on wages* versus today's 10-15% of wages for medical insurance).
It reduces liability and auto insurance costs.
It reduces worker compensation costs, likely by half.
It eliminates health benefits management costs and yearly insurance company and labor contract negotiations for health care.
It creates healthier personnel and more employee stability, reduces absenteeism, and eliminates employer health system complaints.
It reduces the need for part-timers, and provides easier recruiting (no pre-existing disease or COBRA issues).
It eliminates employee health-related debt and personal bankruptcies.
It will expand the U.S. economy and business climate by freeing up family income to purchase new products and services.

Business Coalition


http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/docs/2012/Dollars and Sense.pdf

Healthcare-NOW! - Single-Payer
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The ACA was supposed to reduce costs as well, but that hasn't occurred...
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Cost containment has actually begun....and the ACA is not even in effect.

Besides, I already told you that those who get their primary care with ER services will get them from personal Dr's. Those costs will decline.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The ACA was supposed to reduce costs as well, but that hasn't occurred...
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It was built on republican ideas, so what did you expect? ;)

But it does improve access, so at least you're getting more for your money.
 
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