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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

I certainly hope that the slight up tick of numbers is not just propaganda, but remain skeptical.
 
Is universal healthcare damaging Canada's employment too? If not, why not implement a Canadian type system here? I'm sure you would not give your HC up, would you?

I have lived in both America and Canada for many years.

My opinion of the two health cares is:

- if you are rich, America's is far superior.

- if you are middle class, America's is slightly superior.

- if you are poor, Canada's is far superior.


I find Canada's healthcare is designed for regular maintenance (like GP visits - which are free) and emergency care.

A Canadian businessman I personally know had an accident and broke his pelvis. Because that (apparently) is a very important part of good health, he needed a metal plate put in right away (though his life was not in imminent danger). He had the accident on Saturday and by Monday or Tuesday he had the new plated surgically fitted. And of course they did a very good job and he is fine now.
You would be hard pressed to beat that anywhere...even in America with 'Cadillac' health insurance.
However, in the same Atlantic province, you have urologists that will only see serious cases because they are so backed up.

If you need to see a GP for something simple/straightforward or you have a real life threatening situation - I think the Canadian system is very good.

But everything else - it's pretty hit and miss...with some VERY long wait times for many things.
 
You can always count on the Republicans/conservatives to hate good news under Obama.

Here is the good news to liberals, anyone that isn't counted to make the numbers look better is a boost to the liberal ideology. Over 1 million people were discouraged last month and the number of unemployed/discouraged and under employed is still 21 million. There were more unemployed last month than the previous month and the labor force is still down 2 million from the beginning of the recession. Only a true ideologue buys the surface rhetoric and never explores the actual data.
 
I certainly hope that the slight up tick of numbers is not just propaganda, but remain skeptical.

Here are the numbers the Obama supporters want to ignore. Notice the discouraged workers and u-6 percentage

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
Labor force status: Unemployed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2000 to 2010
Unemployed
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
2008 7678 7491 7816 7631 8395 8578 8950 9450 9501 10083 10544 11299
2009 12049 12860 13389 13796 14505 14727 14646 14861 15012 15421 15227 15124
2010 14953 15039 15128 15221 14876 14517 14609 14735 14574 14636 15104 14393
2011 13919 13751 13628 13792 13892 14024 13908 13920 13897 13759 13323 13097
2012 12748 12806 12686 12518 12695 12701 12745 12483 12082 12248 12042 12206
2013 12332 12032 11742 11659 11760 11777

Discouraged workers
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027

Unemployed + Discouraged
2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152 11941
2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088 16053
2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386 15711
2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419 14042
2012 13807 13812 13551 13486 13525 13522 13597 13327 12884 13061 13021 13274
2013 13136 12917 12545 12577 12540 12804 0 0 0 0 0 0

Labor Force 2009 154185 154424 154100 154453 154805 154754 154457 154362 153940 154022 153795 153172
Labor Force 2011 153250 153302 153392 153420 153700 153409 153358 153674 154004 154057 153937 153887
Labor Force 2012 154395 154871 154707 154365 155007 155163 155013 154645 155053 155641 155319 155511
Labor Force 2013 155654 155524 155028 155238 155658 155835

UE 2009 w/o DW 7.81% 8.33% 8.69% 8.93% 9.37% 9.52% 9.48% 9.63% 9.75% 10.01% 9.90% 9.87%
UE 2010 w/o DW 9.70% 9.74% 9.82% 9.85% 9.61% 9.38% 9.46% 9.55% 9.47% 9.50% 9.82% 9.40%
UE 2011 w/o DW-U-3 9.08% 8.97% 8.88% 8.99% 9.04% 9.14% 9.07% 9.06% 9.02% 8.93% 8.65% 8.51%
UE 2012 w/o DW 8.26% 8.27% 8.20% 8.11% 8.19% 8.19% 8.22% 8.07% 7.79% 7.87% 7.75% 7.85%
UE 2013 w/o DW 7.92% 7.74% 7.57% 7.51% 7.56% 7.56%

2009 U-3 With DW 8.29% 8.80% 9.13% 9.41% 9.88% 10.03% 10.00% 10.12% 10.21% 10.54% 10.46% 10.48%
2010 U-3 With DW 10.45% 10.60% 10.51% 10.70% 10.38% 10.25% 10.30% 10.31% 10.25% 10.29% 10.64% 10.21%
UE 2011 with DW 9.73% 9.64% 9.48% 9.63% 9.57% 9.78% 9.80% 9.69% 9.70% 9.56% 9.37% 9.12%
UE 2012 with DW 8.94% 8.92% 8.76% 8.74% 8.73% 8.71% 8.77% 8.62% 8.31% 8.39% 8.38% 8.54%
UE 2013 with DW 8.44% 8.31% 8.09% 8.10% 8.06% 8.22%

U-6 Numbers
2009 14.2 15.1 15.7 15.8 16.4 16.5 16.5 16.7 16.8 17.2 17.1 17.1
2010 16.7 16.9 16.9 17 16.6 16.5 16.5 16.6 16.9 16.8 16.9 16.6
2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2 16.4 16 15.6 15.2
2012 15.1 15.0 14.5 14.5 14.8 14.8 14.9 14.7 14.7 14.5 14.4 14.4
2013 14.4 14.3 13.8 13.9 13.8 14.3
 
Here is the good news to liberals, anyone that isn't counted to make the numbers look better is a boost to the liberal ideology. Over 1 million people were discouraged last month and the number of unemployed/discouraged and under employed is still 21 million. There were more unemployed last month than the previous month and the labor force is still down 2 million from the beginning of the recession. Only a true ideologue buys the surface rhetoric and never explores the actual data.
You just made Sly's point for him.
 
Is universal healthcare damaging Canada's employment too? If not, why not implement a Canadian type system here? I'm sure you would not give your HC up, would you?

he'd love a private HMO, i'm sure. lol
 
Here is the good news to liberals, anyone that isn't counted to make the numbers look better is a boost to the liberal ideology. Over 1 million people were discouraged last month and the number of unemployed/discouraged and under employed is still 21 million. There were more unemployed last month than the previous month and the labor force is still down 2 million from the beginning of the recession. Only a true ideologue buys the surface rhetoric and never explores the actual data.

We see the same things, but I don't view them as having anything to do with liberal ideology. I see it as false "Confidence" building to keep the US currency value up and attempt to give faith to "full faith and credit" underpinning our financial system.. Phony Economic numbers are generated to boost "Confidence" and "Confidence" is reflected in stock, currency, futures, and commodities markets. Investors see the "Confidence" and ignore the realities of debt, crooked banking and an economy hostage to Big Energy and Capital interests.
 
Here are the numbers the Obama supporters want to ignore. Notice the discouraged workers and u-6 percentage

Obama supporters, as well as seemingly the administration itself have disingenuously been ignoring the U-6 catagory from the beginning...
 
Obama supporters, as well as seemingly the administration itself have disingenuously been ignoring the U-6 catagory from the beginning...

Exactly right, for if they aren't counted then they don't exist. 7.6% unemployment sounds a lot better than the 14.3% U-6 number. I always said that the more people Obama can get to drop out of the labor force the more he will tout the U-3 numbers.
 
While on the surface the figure appears about average, the number of involuntary part-time workers increased by 322K in June resulting in a net loss of 127K full-time positions that are wanted by those workers...

Welcome to Obamacare, more to come
 
Really? How is the chart I posted twisting the numbers? Sorry that actual data confuses you.

I'de be more interested if there was any indication from the Right that they care a hoot about the unemployed, discouraged or otherwise. They have blocked all efforts at job creation bills like infrastructure repair and history tells us that Democrats are far better at job creation than Republicans.
I'm afraid we can look to your side for any reasons for the slow recovery of jobs. The failure to pass the American Jobs act stands out recently, but history is more telling. Republicans just don't want more jobs, it costs business money when unemployment is low.



The American Jobs Act never became law, however, because Republicans opposed it from the start, blasting it as another form of “failed stimulus” that wouldn’t help the economy. (They ignored the fact that the first “failed stimulus,” the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, wasn’t a failure at all.) One month later, the GOP blocked the bill in the Senate, preventing the creation of more than a million jobs and the added growth that multiple economists predicted would occur if the bill passed:


–Moody’s Analytics estimated the American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross domestic product.

–The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.

–Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and boost GDP by 1.5 percent.

–Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5 percent to GDP.
Unhappy Anniversary: Republicans Have Blocked The American Jobs Act For One Year | ThinkProgress

Republicans

Richard Nixon: Increase of 7.1 million jobs
Gerald Ford: Increase of 1.3 million jobs
Ronald Reagan: Increase of 14.7 million jobs
George H.W. Bush: Increase of 1.5 million jobs
George W. Bush: Decline of 646,000 jobs

Total: Increase of 23.9 million jobs under Republican presidents

Democrats

John F. Kennedy: Increase of 2.7 million jobs
Lyndon B. Johnson: Increase of 9.5 million jobs
Jimmy Carter: Increase of 9.0 million jobs
Bill Clinton: Increase of 20.8 million jobs
Barack Obama: Increase of 332,000 jobs

Total: Increase of 42.3 million jobs.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-says-democratic-presidents-top-republ/
 
I'de be more interested if there was any indication from the Right that they care a hoot about the unemployed, discouraged or otherwise. They have blocked all efforts at job creation bills like infrastructure repair and history tells us that Democrats are far better at job creation than Republicans.
I'm afraid we can look to your side for any reasons for the slow recovery of jobs. The failure to pass the American Jobs act stands out recently, but history is more telling. Republicans just don't want more jobs, it costs business money when unemployment is low.




Unhappy Anniversary: Republicans Have Blocked The American Jobs Act For One Year | ThinkProgress



PolitiFact | Bill Clinton says Democratic presidents top Republican presidents in job creation

Here we go again, same tired old rhetoric that you believe it is the government's job to create jobs vs creating the environment for the private sector to create jobs. Keep buying the rhetoric and ignoring the results. Who pays for those jobs after the initial govt. expenditures run out or do you even care?

Obamacare=job killer
Higher taxes=job killer
More regulations=job killer

Liberalism=job killer
 
I'de be more interested if there was any indication from the Right that they care a hoot about the unemployed, discouraged or otherwise. They have blocked all efforts at job creation bills like infrastructure repair and history tells us that Democrats are far better at job creation than Republicans.
I'm afraid we can look to your side for any reasons for the slow recovery of jobs. The failure to pass the American Jobs act stands out recently, but history is more telling. Republicans just don't want more jobs, it costs business money when unemployment is low.



Unhappy Anniversary: Republicans Have Blocked The American Jobs Act For One Year | ThinkProgress



PolitiFact | Bill Clinton says Democratic presidents top Republican presidents in job creation

Harry never brought the President's proposals to the Senate floor, and you want to blame the minority party? That's a bit of a stretch. The President could have and should have worked where he could find agreement with the minority which is energy independence. Unfortunately, the President doesn't seem to have that goal as a priority, and his own party would probably have skewered him if he attempted. So, you see, this one way blame just doesn't fly anymore...
 
Amusing. I saw nothing in the OP which twisted anything. The only people I've seen twist are the ones like...well...

...yes, you.

Thank you for further proving me right. Republicans/conservatives HATE when there's good news. Quite frankly, I think it's rather un-American of you.

Are numbers that hard for you to understand?

We lost a bunch of full-time jobs and added a bunch of part-time jobs.

This is third-grade stuff here.
 
Here we go again, same tired old rhetoric that you believe it is the government's job to create jobs vs creating the environment for the private sector to create jobs. Keep buying the rhetoric and ignoring the results. Who pays for those jobs after the initial govt. expenditures run out or do you even care?

Obamacare=job killer
Higher taxes=job killer
More regulations=job killer

Liberalism=job killer

Funny but I just posted results that show that liberalism has created twice the number of jobs as Conservatism. You can't deny that and if you were honest you would admit that you are pleased with those numbers. Republicans hate low unemployment. It boosts wages and leaves less people to demonize as deadbeats.
Construction jobs are always temporary and so is the downturn in private construction. Putting those people to work now on our infrastucture would tide them over until housing is fully recovered. It is a no brainer because we will need to repair and upgrade out infrastructure anyway and cost will only go up. How many more bridges need to fall?
 
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It is a positive report, no matter how you look at it even if it is converting full time to part time jobs at least we aren't losing like we did 4 to 6 years ago. Obviously not a glorious report but it certainly could be worse. As for the government misinforming the people, stop grasping at strings to hate on the Obama administration. Yes, these past 5 years have sucked but strop ridiculing the administration over minuscule things.
 
Welcome to Obamacare, more to come

If the House is dumb enough to pass the immigration criminal amnesty act that the Senate did, one of the lies the Democrats can't wait to tell is the unemployment numbers are bad because X million new workers were added to the rolls. They would tell that lie for years and years but that wouldn't be anything new to a Democrat. But you are correct. Obamacare might end up being the biggest job killer in our nations history.
 
Funny but I just posted results that show that liberalism has created twice the number of jobs as Conservatism. You can't deny that and if you were honest you would admit that you are pleased with those numbers. Republicans hate low unemployment.
Construction jobs are always temporary and so is the downturn in private construction. Putting those people to work now on our infratstucture would tide them over until housing is fully recovered. It is a no brainer because we will need to repair and upgrade out infrastructure anyway and cost will only go up. How many more bridges need to fall?

What you posted ignores the independent data as well as the amount of debt created to generate those so called data of yours. Doesn't seem to matter as you either have a job or are retired and don't care about the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. What you don't seem to understand is that we have a growing population and still two million jobs less than when the recession started. over 10 million people joined the labor force during the Bush term and 1.5 million has joined the labor force since Obama has taken office.

You want badly to buy the Obama rhetoric and believe liberalism works. therein lies your problem. By the way, wasn't the Obama 842 billion stimulus supposed to address infrastructure?
 
What you posted ignores the independent data as well as the amount of debt created to generate those so called data of yours. Doesn't seem to matter as you either have a job or are retired and don't care about the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. What you don't seem to understand is that we have a growing population and still two million jobs less than when the recession started. over 10 million people joined the labor force during the Bush term and 1.5 million has joined the labor force since Obama has taken office.

You want badly to buy the Obama rhetoric and believe liberalism works. therein lies your problem.

I'm glad you brought up Debt because adding to our debt is another Republican pastime that they have excelled at. And the amazing thing is their poor job creation while spending us into the poorhouse. It is a knack they have.

Total%20Increase%20in%20debt%20to%20GDP%20overall.jpg
 
I'm glad you brought up Debt because adding to our debt is another Republican pastime that they have excelled at.

Total%20Increase%20in%20debt%20to%20GDP%20overall.jpg


Absolutely amazing, Debt when Obama took office 10.6 trillion dollars and 16.8 trillion today. That is a liberal success story. We pay debt service on the total debt not the percentage of GDP. Which is higher debt service on the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt or the 6.2 trillion Obama debt?
 
Harry never brought the President's proposals to the Senate floor, and you want to blame the minority party? That's a bit of a stretch. The President could have and should have worked where he could find agreement with the minority which is energy independence. Unfortunately, the President doesn't seem to have that goal as a priority, and his own party would probably have skewered him if he attempted. So, you see, this one way blame just doesn't fly anymore...

Doesn't stop them from trying, though! And to be completely fair, it was BHO who said he was focusing like a laser on jobs, in 2009, 2010, 2011, etc. If Reid didn't do what BHO wanted, that's the minority party's fault? In which parallel universe? Sheesh! :shock:

Good afternoon, AP! :2wave:
 
Doesn't stop them from trying, though! And to be completely fair, it was BHO who said he was focusing like a laser on jobs, in 2009, 2010, 2011, etc. If Reid didn't do what BHO wanted, that's the minority party's fault? In which parallel universe? Sheesh! :shock:

Good afternoon, AP! :2wave:

Good day pg. The blame game is the easiest one to play, but it doesn't move us towards any type of solution...
 
If the House is dumb enough to pass the immigration criminal amnesty act that the Senate did, one of the lies the Democrats can't wait to tell is the unemployment numbers are bad because X million new workers were added to the rolls. They would tell that lie for years and years but that wouldn't be anything new to a Democrat. But you are correct. Obamacare might end up being the biggest job killer in our nations history.

FDR did the same thing with his NRA legislation and SCOTUS stepped in to late to reverse it
 
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