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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

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    I have posted the cuts many times, so suggest you do some research. Here are the line item budget items. Remove SS and Medicare and take it all off budget, dissolve the unified budget completely. Then start cutting starting with the education department, EPA, Energy, Commerce Dept. and return all social programs back where they belong, the state and local communities. Charge all foreign countries that have illegal immigrants in this country and take the money out of foreign aid. Cut Unemployment insurance back to its original intent from the current two years.

    That would be a good start. Why do we need a Federal Govt. to administer these programs when they are duplicated at the state level. Removing SS and Medicare from the budget and cutting departments would get us down to an approximate 1.5 trillion dollar federal govt. Which is what it should be. Defense and not much else.
    What do you think happens to those you remove healthcare, ss, and training from?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What do you think happens to those you remove healthcare, ss, and training from?
    SS and Medicare are funded by Payroll taxes and thus nothing happens to them. They go off budget where they are supposed to be along with the taxes to fund them. MA implemented a healthcare program like a few others. There is no way the Federal Govt. should be involved in healthcare, they can manage nothing. These are personal responsibility issues best handled by the state and local communities. That is where the jobs will be created.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

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    SS and Medicare are funded by Payroll taxes and thus nothing happens to them. They go off budget where they are supposed to be along with the taxes to fund them. MA implemented a healthcare program like a few others. There is no way the Federal Govt. should be involved in healthcare, they can manage nothing. These are personal responsibility issues best handled by the state and local communities. That is where the jobs will be created.
    Most things are paid with taxes. There's also administrative functions, so not sure not counting them really makes a difference. A piecemeal system, where it varies is far less effective and efficient than one single system. Think of it practically and not ideologically. Responsibility also comes in the form of solving a problem. As a people, we have both personal and collective responsibility.

    Government, neither nationally nor locally creates jobs. The private sector does that, unless you want government jobs.

    Cuts must come to the big three. I accept that. But not blind cuts. Instead, we should do things more efficiently, which leads to spending less. This is true whether we're talking the military or SS or Medicare / Medicaid.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most things are paid with taxes. There's also administrative functions, so not sure not counting them really makes a difference. A piecemeal system, where it varies is far less effective and efficient than one single system. Think of it practically and not ideologically. Responsibility also comes in the form of solving a problem. As a people, we have both personal and collective responsibility.

    Government, neither nationally nor locally creates jobs. The private sector does that, unless you want government jobs.

    Cuts must come to the big three. I accept that. But not blind cuts. Instead, we should do things more efficiently, which leads to spending less. This is true whether we're talking the military or SS or Medicare / Medicaid.
    Yes, everything that was created had a tax established to pay for it. Democrats lumped all the tax dollars together in the unified budget and people like you bought the concept. Now what you and others like you are doing is trying to support a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt. ignoring that there are 50 states with many duplicate activities that are funded by state and local taxes. Exactly what is the role of the Federal govt. in your world?

    Govt. creates the atmosphere for economic activity that creates jobs. This Administration contradicts your view that govt. doesn't create jobs for this govt. micromanages the private sector trying to do just that

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, everything that was created had a tax established to pay for it. Democrats lumped all the tax dollars together in the unified budget and people like you bought the concept. Now what you and others like you are doing is trying to support a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt. ignoring that there are 50 states with many duplicate activities that are funded by state and local taxes. Exactly what is the role of the Federal govt. in your world?

    Govt. creates the atmosphere for economic activity that creates jobs. This Administration contradicts your view that govt. doesn't create jobs for this govt. micromanages the private sector trying to do just that
    Stay focused. You're talking to me and not the liberal universe.

    No matter how it is "lumped" there should be a way to pay for it clearly spelled out. Neither party has done this well.

    And I'm all for doing away with duplicate efforts. That's why I support a single healthcare system and not piecemeal efforts.

    And no, government only has minimal effect on everything, including the atmosphere. I've shown you historically and through studies that everything you think has a major effect really doesn't. The only way to have the effect you speak of is for the government to actually control production. That is not the case here in the US.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Stay focused. You're talking to me and not the liberal universe.

    No matter how it is "lumped" there should be a way to pay for it clearly spelled out. Neither party has done this well.

    And I'm all for doing away with duplicate efforts. That's why I support a single healthcare system and not piecemeal efforts.

    And no, government only has minimal effect on everything, including the atmosphere. I've shown you historically and through studies that everything you think has a major effect really doesn't. The only way to have the effect you speak of is for the government to actually control production. That is not the case here in the US.
    You want a single healthcare system for 50 sovereign states and 312000000 people? That is impossible and you know it.

    You really are very nave believing the govt. has minimal effect on the economy. not sure where you got your education or what you do but you are out of touch with reality. Higher taxes affect personal income and investment capital and higher costs of employment affect jobs. That is basic logic, common sense and reality.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You want a single healthcare system for 50 sovereign states and 312000000 people? That is impossible and you know it.

    You really are very nave believing the govt. has minimal effect on the economy. not sure where you got your education or what you do but you are out of touch with reality. Higher taxes affect personal income and investment capital and higher costs of employment affect jobs. That is basic logic, common sense and reality.
    It's not impossible at all. And no, higher taxes have minimal effect. We're not talking 100%, or 75%, or 50% type tax increases. The numbers I've seen is 6%. Considering the money saved on healthcare, fir business by removing it from business, and no hidden fees paying for uninsured, it'd likely be a savings all around.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not impossible at all. And no, higher taxes have minimal effect. We're not talking 100%, or 75%, or 50% type tax increases. The numbers I've seen is 6%. Considering the money saved on healthcare, fir business by removing it from business, and no hidden fees paying for uninsured, it'd likely be a savings all around.
    Since healthcare is an individual responsibility it is unlike SS where a fixed amount is being paid out. It is impossible for any bureaucratic Govt. to administer a national healthcare program. MA has taught that a state cannot even do it well. No one can govern what a person puts into their body or their living habit.

    You really are nave and gullible if you believe it is possible

    As for taxes what matters is what the people's effective rate is not their tax rate. If there isn't much of an effect then why raise taxes at all? How does raising taxes benefit you?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since healthcare is an individual responsibility it is unlike SS where a fixed amount is being paid out. It is impossible for any bureaucratic Govt. to administer a national healthcare program. MA has taught that a state cannot even do it well. No one can govern what a person puts into their body or their living habit.

    You really are nave and gullible if you believe it is possible

    As for taxes what matters is what the people's effective rate is not their tax rate. If there isn't much of an effect then why raise taxes at all? How does raising taxes benefit you?
    Im afraid factually they've effectively managed UHC around the world. So we know it can be done.

    Nor are we talking about governing what people eat or drink. That's a strawman argument on your part.

    Taxes pay for services. Healthcare is more like fire and police concerns. We use taxes to handle larger communal issues. It's always been that way.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Im afraid factually they've effectively managed UHC around the world. So we know it can be done.

    Nor are we talking about governing what people eat or drink. That's a strawman argument on your part.

    Taxes pay for services. Healthcare is more like fire and police concerns. We use taxes to handle larger communal issues. It's always been that way.
    No country in the world has the freedom of choices we have along with the access to things many of which aren't good for us. This is the United States of America in case you forgot and it isn't like other countries. You want national healthcare move, because it isn't going to work here, never will. Healthcare is a personal responsibility something you and other liberals don't seem to understand. Pay for your own healthcare or send me a check direct to pay for mine. You prefer however having a bureaucrat do it for you

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