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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've linked things before. Do some research and get back to me.
    No you haven't. Your'e personal opinion doesn't add up to a hill of beans as you selectively apply your statistics and qualifications.

    You people are dishonest, lack integrity and humility.

    For example when you offer up your " proof " of job growth you leave out the nearly 10 million jobs that don't exist anymore.

    When you claim that our economy is growing you leave out the fact that it's all being propped up with Trillions in QE, and then fail to realize that there is will be a HUGE price to pay for all this easy and free money.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I gave you an argument. I spelled out how it really works when government runs the show. You made an either or fallacy, and one based on misinformation to boot.

    Go back and read what you wrote. Find something you honestly think wasn't addressed. Present it. Then read what I wrote and try to address one point. Just one.
    ...Oh brother...Here we go with you trying to take the tact that only your opinion is proper, or relevant....I don't have time for this crap.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've linked things before. Do some research and get back to me.
    No you haven't. Your'e personal opinion doesn't add up to a hill of beans as you selectively apply your statistics and qualifications.

    You people are dishonest, lack integrity and humility.

    For example when you offer up your " proof " of job growth you leave out the nearly 10 million jobs that don't exist anymore.

    When you claim that our economy is growing you leave out the fact that it's all being propped up with Trillions in QE, and then fail to realize that there is will be a HUGE price to pay for all this easy and free money.

    Post all the links you want the truth is their stacked with Liberal Bull Sh** and talking points.

    If you have to lie whether by ommision or directly to back some corrupt ideology, your still left with a shi** ideology.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    An opinion i don't care to comment on (it is off topic!).
    Not really, but ok. I understand....
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No you haven't. Your'e personal opinion doesn't add up to a hill of beans as you selectively apply your statistics and qualifications.

    You people are dishonest, lack integrity and humility.

    For example when you offer up your " proof " of job growth you leave out the nearly 10 million jobs that don't exist anymore.

    When you claim that our economy is growing you leave out the fact that it's all being propped up with Trillions in QE, and then fail to realize that there is will be a HUGE price to pay for all this easy and free money.
    I have many times. But for you, I'll do it one more time:


    (Photo: Anna Fox)
    Our latest Freakonomics Radio on Marketplace podcast is called “It’s Not the President, Stupid.” (You can download/subscribe at iTunes, get the RSS feed, listen via the media player above, or read the transcript below.) The gist: it’s time to admit that the U.S. economy doesn’t have a commander-in-chief.

    Freakonomics Ľ It



    Dubner: Look, personally, I have no horse in any race -- I dislike both political parties about equally. But here's the thing: We're heading into a presidential campaign now that is likely to focus on the economy, and rightly so. And I'm here to tell you and your listeners that of all the areas in which the president's influence is overrated, the economy is probably No. 1.

    Does the president actually influence the economy? | Marketplace.org

    And yet, elected officials have little control over things that actually affect the economy, such as natural disasters, changes in resource prices, changes in consumer wealth, changes in the exchange rates, or changes in the real interest rate. The Fed has a bit of control over interest rates, in the short run, and may even be able to offset some of the other changes through monetary policy, but the Fed is not under the control of elected officials!

    http://www.pcecon.com/text/OptionsOutcomesMaCh14.pdf

    There's more, much more, but I tried to give you three different types of sources. Also, conservative can direct you to the history and studies showing taxes and regulations have minimal effect (I think those are actually in this thread). Now before throwing around words like dishonesty, do some damn research.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    ...Oh brother...Here we go with you trying to take the tact that only your opinion is proper, or relevant....I don't have time for this crap.
    Don't be silly. It's how arguments are done. Instead of name calling and being childish, form a rebuttal.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Has Obamanomics been a success?
    Already answered.

    There you go again with the textbooks.
    I made no reference to textbooks. If you cannot address my comments without projecting my position, i will simply highlight the instance and not respond to your point.

    Obama was hired because he told Americans that he would solve the problems, he has failed and with failure in a private sector economy there are consequences, not so with a Federal Govt. Companies don't create demand, consumers do and you create demand by having more spendable income. Happens all the time. No business owner is going to expand with the uncertainties of Obamanomics.
    It is my opinion that the majority of the problems he inherited have been corrected. All that is left is job creation.

    That is your opinion, some banks didn't want TARP, wonder why?
    The same banks that didn't want TARP went back for round 2. They also made great use of the liquidity facilities provided by the Fed, e.g. TALF, CPLF, etc....

    If you ever invested your own money in a business you would understand why
    Ad Hom

    demand created by the private consumer and that isn't going to happen with massive govt. expenditures.
    How much demand does welfare and foodstamp disbursments create? By providing people who have very low incomes some sort of support, does it create economic activity, AKA do they spend it?

    The Fed is purchasing Toxic Assets thus QE.
    You don't know what a toxic asset is. If they were purchasing toxic assets, the treasury would be on the hook for the losses incurred in the purchases. Instead, the Fed has handed hundreds of billions of dollars back to the treasury since credit easing activities began. This means that they have not been purchasing Toxic Assets.

    Do you understand now?

    Demand will never grow as long as consumer confidence remains low and the labor participation rate stays are record lows. Obama leadership is lacking and will never promote the private sector. That isn't his desire.


    Just so i don't have to explain it later over 50 means expansion.

    You are easily swayed but a distorted view of personal spending habits and personal income levels.

    Most book smart people are also incompetent when it comes to street issues.
    Ad hom

    You are right and I have no interest in actually knowing you, but I do know a lot of people like you, book smart and street stupid.
    Ad hom.




    Cite your source that 40% of all home owners are under water and tell me what leadership Obama has shown on the issue?


    Negative equity is prevalent not just in obvious places like Las Vegas, once the poster child for the go-go real estate market that went bust. The painful aftermath lingers in Chicago and Minneapolis, where about one in three owners has negative equity. Seattle, Cleveland, and Baltimore also each have a larger share of owners in negative territory than the national average. Zillow computes a second, broader measure of underwater homeowners. It adds together people with negative equity and those who have some equity, though not enough to pay a real estate agent and related costs to sell their house and move. When this second group is included, the share of home borrowers in a financial bind increases to 44 percent, from 25 percent, Zillow said.
    Never have I supported increasing the size and scope of govt. Looks like another reading comprehension problem.
    Then there was no need to bring up the dot-com bubble, recession, and 9/11.

    Obama is in over his head lacking any understanding of the private sector and how it works. He and you have a lot in common with regard to that area.
    Don't see the surplus then that you said existed. only a true liberal takes a victory lap for what will be a deficit of around 800 billion or more dollars because it is a cut? Bush never had a 800 billion dollar deficit
    Now the deficit is going to be $800 billion? It went from over a trillion, to less to a trillion, and now around 800 billion or more.

    Great, so what is the govt. doing to create incentive and grow demand? We agree, the goal is to make a profit, the incentive to grow more will be there when there is incentive to create demand. People buy during a sale, why? Obama is an economic failure in understanding how to motivate people and how to increase demand.
    The economy is driven by the private sector. It is silly to believe the economy requires the president to increase demand.

    Is that how the stimulus was sold? Seems I remember shovel ready jobs being mentioned over and over. Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate?
    Republicans wouldn't agree to anything without tax breaks.

    Ok, what is Obama doing to create better regulations rather than growing regulations? Why is the Keystone Pipeline not up to the states to decide? Why is coal being regulated by anyone other than the people of W. Va. Why should the NLRB try to block Boeing from opening a plant in Carolina? Why is it a bureaucrats responsibility to administer healthcare for individuals in 50 states?
    The president obviously has environmental concerns. Not that i necessarily agree with many of them, but i believe his current policy will have a limited impact on employment.

    You are part of the problem because you are so out of touch with the real world and real people
    Ad hom

    Whether it was spent, saved, invested, or used to pay down debt, it doesn't matter, all benefit the economy. A free market capitalist would understand how
    No it does not. When money is used to pay down debt, it creates a contraction in the money supply. When many people begin paying back debt, saving more, it reduces consumption and investment, and imports. This is how the recession began in December 2007.

    Yep, and Obama is doing nothing to return us to normal times.
    All the government can do is ease the pain. It is up to the private sector to do the rest.

    The economic numbers are a disaster and Obama is a failure.
    Depends on how you define disaster. Does GDP at $9 trillion qualify for a disaster?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have many times. But for you, I'll do it
    one more time:



    (Photo: Anna Fox)
    Our latest Freakonomics Radio on Marketplace podcast is called ďItís Not the President, Stupid.Ē (You can download/subscribe at iTunes, get the RSS feed, listen via the media player above, or read the transcript below.) The gist: itís time to admit that the U.S. economy doesnít have a commander-in-chief.

    Freakonomics Ľ It



    Dubner: Look, personally, I have no horse in any race -- I dislike both political parties about equally. But here's the thing: We're heading into a presidential campaign now that is likely to focus on the economy, and rightly so. And I'm here to tell you and your listeners that of all the areas in which the president's influence is overrated, the economy is probably No. 1.

    Does the president actually influence the economy? | Marketplace.org

    And yet, elected officials have little control over things that actually affect the economy, such as natural disasters, changes in resource prices, changes in consumer wealth, changes in the exchange rates, or changes in the real interest rate. The Fed has a bit of control over interest rates, in the short run, and may even be able to offset some of the other changes through monetary policy, but the Fed is not under the control of elected officials!

    http://www.pcecon.com/text/OptionsOutcomesMaCh14.pdf

    There's more, much more, but I tried to give you three different types of sources. Also, conservative can direct you to the history and studies showing taxes and regulations have minimal effect (I think those are actually in this thread). Now before throwing around words like dishonesty, do some damn research.
    Freakonomics doesn't address the specific issues and policies that Obama's responsible for.

    I DO !

    The other paragragraph mentioned narural disasters and real estate interest rates.

    ARE YOU KIDDING ???
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Freakonomics doesn't address the specific issues and policies that Obama's responsible for.

    I DO !

    The other paragragraph mentioned narural disasters and real estate interest rates.

    ARE YOU KIDDING ???
    You're not thinking. There are many things that happen beyond a presidents control. The list is just a few. Add outsourcing, automation, the hosing bubble. Think it through.

    And read all of it, including the like earlier concerning taxes and regulations.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I told you, in the column ip from your link to the right:

    There is sector minimum wage in reality but no national one.


    In that column, from your link, they talk of the reality versus the claim. I asked you to read it all.
    Yet I posted the statement that a law was passed in Feb of this year providing for a national minimum wage something we don't even have in this country. States are authorized to create their own here just like in China. What you seem to have a problem with is you were caught making a bogus claim and refuse to admit it

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