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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But he does pick the Chinese model. He sees government in control of the economy. There is no way for that to be true other than a model more in line with the Chinese. I admit he doesn't fully understand this or where his logic fails, and he's not alone.. And this is not an attack, but a fail critique of his arguments.
    Unfortunately in this day and age, and with the current administration the government acts like it is in control of the economy, except when it comes time to answer for the dismal slow growth due to government policy, and over regulation. Then all of the sudden it is someone elses fault, or heck even blame for ATM's, or the weather....

    It's real easy Joe, you either agree that a free market with minimal regulation is the engine of a free society, or you think that someone owning a business in this country is somehow responsible for "taking care of" the individual they hire, with government there to make sure they do in the name of "fairness".... One is freedom, one is not.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Unfortunately in this day and age, and with the current administration the government acts like it is in control of the economy, except when it comes time to answer for the dismal slow growth due to government policy, and over regulation. Then all of the sudden it is someone elses fault, or heck even blame for ATM's, or the weather....

    It's real easy Joe, you either agree that a free market with minimal regulation is the engine of a free society, or you think that someone owning a business in this country is somehow responsible for "taking care of" the individual they hire, with government there to make sure they do in the name of "fairness".... One is freedom, one is not.
    the relationship between the employer and its workers should be one of mutual dependence. a employer depends on his workers in order to run a bussness, and workers depend on the income provided by their employer. one cannot abuse the other.

    and what kind of regulations are holding back the economy? what is holding back the banking sector, or the manufacturing sector, or any business in general?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But he does pick the Chinese model. He sees government in control of the economy. There is no way for that to be true other than a model more in line with the Chinese. I admit he doesn't fully understand this or where his logic fails, and he's not alone.. And this is not an attack, but a fail critique of his arguments.
    Your opinion noted but as usual you have no idea what you are talking about. It is very nave to believe that a private business owner who cannot print cash isn't influenced by govt. tax and regulation policies. Why would anyone hire an employee today and grow their business with the uncertainties regarding govt. tax policies and the unknown costs of Obamacare. It costs an employer a lot of money to hire and train and employee and then provide them with the pay and benefits required. Do you have any concept as to hiring costs and then yes, firing costs?

    You don't know me but you think you do just like you think you are an expert on just about everything. It is more than logical to assume that a private business isn't going to invest more money until govt. economic policies are clearer and costs associated with those policies analyzed. The EPA, NLRB, and the entire Obama administration doesn't have a clue how business works and operates and neither apparently do you.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the relationship between the employer and its workers should be one of mutual dependence. a employer depends on his workers in order to run a bussness, and workers depend on the income provided by their employer. one cannot abuse the other.

    and what kind of regulations are holding back the economy? what is holding back the banking sector, or the manufacturing sector, or any business in general?
    Obamacare, EPA, proposed tax policies. Why would any business person invest their own cash into a business not knowing what future costs are going to be?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the relationship between the employer and its workers should be one of mutual dependence. a employer depends on his workers in order to run a bussness, and workers depend on the income provided by their employer. one cannot abuse the other.
    And in a general sense that is correct. But to project that you as an employee can go into a job, then dictate to the employer what you want, and they have to do it or face some sort of smack down by government for not doing so, is laughable...Like I said, you don't 'own' the job....

    and what kind of regulations are holding back the economy? what is holding back the banking sector, or the manufacturing sector, or any business in general?
    Plenty. In fact you have unwittingly written down three sectors of businesses here that all have separate regulations numbering in the thousands. I am sure you don't want a dissertation on every individual regulation that harms business in this country, and I have no want to lay all that out...If you want to research it yourself, just start with the 80K new regulations instituted last year....That ought to keep you busy for a while.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted but as usual you have no idea what you are talking about. It is very nave to believe that a private business owner who cannot print cash isn't influenced by govt. tax and regulation policies. Why would anyone hire an employee today and grow their business with the uncertainties regarding govt. tax policies and the unknown costs of Obamacare. It costs an employer a lot of money to hire and train and employee and then provide them with the pay and benefits required. Do you have any concept as to hiring costs and then yes, firing costs?

    You don't know me but you think you do just like you think you are an expert on just about everything. It is more than logical to assume that a private business isn't going to invest more money until govt. economic policies are clearer and costs associated with those policies analyzed. The EPA, NLRB, and the entire Obama administration doesn't have a clue how business works and operates and neither apparently do you.
    why would any buissness invest right now with a congress that cannot pass any legislation or do anything to prevent the cuts caused by sequestration and are doing nothing to address the debt ceiling or other important pieces of legislation?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why would any buissness invest right now with a congress that cannot pass any legislation or do anything to prevent the cuts caused by sequestration and are doing nothing to address the debt ceiling or other important pieces of legislation?
    Name for me the legislation that Congress is stonewalling that will help private sector economic growth? Have you been looking in Harry Reid's desk at those bills passed by the House that he won't let get to the floor of the Senate for debate?

    Do you realize how brainwashed you are, addressing the debt ceiling? How about addressing spending and let that handle the debt ceiling. You really believe we need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Name for me the legislation that Congress is stonewalling that will help private sector economic growth? Have you been looking in Harry Reid's desk at those bills passed by the House that he won't let get to the floor of the Senate for debate?

    Do you realize how brainwashed you are, addressing the debt ceiling? How about addressing spending and let that handle the debt ceiling. You really believe we need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt?
    the house has passed "jobs" bills, the senate has passed "jobs" bills. here is an idea, why not go into conference committee to reconcile any differences between the house and senate bills. or would that require actually compromising.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the house has passed "jobs" bills, the senate has passed "jobs" bills. here is an idea, why not go into conference committee to reconcile any differences between the house and senate bills. or would that require actually compromising.
    In order to go to conference committee the Senate has to at least review the House bills. It takes two to compromise and House bills sitting in Reid's desk isn't a way to compromise

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In order to go to conference committee the Senate has to at least review the House bills. It takes two to compromise and House bills sitting in Reid's desk isn't a way to compromise
    considering the house has sent 39 bills all repealing Obamacare in some form or another, that will be one of the things taken out by the senate because none of the bills sent to the house have repealing obamacare in their bills.

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