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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    What did you do, go back and read the article for the first? That's what it looks like to me.
    Oh christ, what a bunch of CYA! FFS, you have been going on for 2 days about how the article WAS NOT a comparison of cuts vs benefits. This is just weak and contemptible bs.

    Next time you want to provide evidence that government spending (food stamps, whatever) is better stimulus than tax cuts don't post an article for all to see and read that doesn't agree with you.
    This is just a perfect example of you NEVER getting a thing correct. It was not presented for that purpose. It was to show what the effects are of each type of stimulus.

    This was the question that started this tangent:

    "What is the difference between deficits caused by decreases in revenue as a result of lower tax rates, and deficits caused by increases in government spending?"

    You just won't read anything in front of you.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It takes 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate, there were 55 Republicans.
    According to the Constitution it takes 50% plus one vote to pass. In case of ties the Senate president (the VP) gets to vote. The Contitution also allows each house to write its own rules. In the case of Senate rule 22, 60 votes are require if cloture is filed. This is a formal procedure and is logged. For anyone to say the Democrats threatened a filibuster is dog dung. Bull****. You like to talk about leadership, well if the Republicans didn't file a cloture motion on S.190 then it's poor leadership on their part.

    I would have thought you would have known all this civics stuff. I guess not.

    Edit: cloture motions filed

    http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/ref...tureCounts.htm.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh christ, what a bunch of CYA! FFS, you have been going on for 2 days about how the article WAS NOT a comparison of cuts vs benefits. This is just weak and contemptible bs.

    This is just a perfect example of you NEVER getting a thing correct. It was not presented for that purpose. It was to show what the effects are of each type of stimulus.

    This was the question that started this tangent:

    "What is the difference between deficits caused by decreases in revenue as a result of lower tax rates, and deficits caused by increases in government spending?"

    You just won't read anything in front of you.
    I'm not the one that said food stamps are stimulus. That would be you and the air head economist Madlow or whatever her name is. She can put a pencil on a piece of paper and put any kind of numbers she wants to on it, but the fact is, if food stamps were stimulus every nation in the world would be loaded down with them all the time. I realize she doesn't posses the common sense to grasp that, ist's never do.

    Same goes with government spending in general. Pick a number, any number for government spending for stimulus. For sake of argument lets use the number 10. If 10 works very well, why not use 20 and do better? But then why stop there, go whole hog and use the number 100 and that way everybody is in high cotton. Why not? Because it doesn't and won't work. Government produce's practically nothing. And they have to take a dollar away from somebody before they can doll it out to their politically connected corrupt buddies (much of the time anyway).

    The question with government spending is how willing are you to harm your nations economy for each dollar you take from a productive citizen. Don't get me wrong. We have to have government, we have to have government spending. But it's so far past the absurd point nowadays government jokes are not even funny anymore.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    I'm not the one that said food stamps are stimulus. That would be you and the air head economist Madlow or whatever her name is.
    yeah....she is an economist.

    You are a complete waste of my time.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, would love to have it but using it in this forum just causes Obamabots to run never able to admit they are wrong. You can PM me through DP
    Nah, they need to hear it no matter how blinded they are. On another forum where I sort of took on that issue as a personal challenge I've converted a couple of people that were hard core Bush Blamers....well at least as far as the Sub-Prime issue goes, to accepting the complicity of the Democrats.
    On top of that allot of Conservatives and/or Independents were exposed to the truth, and they started to pass it on whether on the forum or to their family and friends.

    Whether these Obama-bots believe it or not the truth needs to be told. Imagine if the only resources we had to base our post on were what the Democrats wanted us to see ?

    The Sub-Prime Collapse would be Bush's and the Banks fault in that order, Benghazi would be about a You-Tube Video, and the IRS scandal would be about a couple of "rogue agents " in Cincinnati who were just trying to make their job easier.

    For a couple of years I researched the issue off and one and saved what I could to a hard drive and then to a drop box account. I believe the Sub-Prime Bubble is the largest Government caused financial disaster in History and no, it wasn't caused by the Republicans, or even perpetuated by the Republicans and the person the Democrats so ignorantly blame the most for it, did the most to try and avoid it.

    By the time it was all said and done 16 to 18 TRILLION dollars in wealth was washed out, people lost their homes and their lively hood, and now our own Central Bank is loading up their books with worthless Mortgage Backed Securities.

    People think we're out of the woods on the collapse. Nothing is further from the truth.

    I'll start sending you some stuff that I think you'll find interesting.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    According to the Constitution it takes 50% plus one vote to pass. In case of ties the Senate president (the VP) gets to vote. The Contitution also allows each house to write its own rules. In the case of Senate rule 22, 60 votes are require if cloture is filed. This is a formal procedure and is logged. For anyone to say the Democrats threatened a filibuster is dog dung. Bull****. You like to talk about leadership, well if the Republicans didn't file a cloture motion on S.190 then it's poor leadership on their part.

    I would have thought you would have known all this civics stuff. I guess not.

    Edit: cloture motions filed

    U.S. Senate: Reference Home >.

    I assume your'e talking about the Senate bill. 55 votes is NOT a Filibuster proof Majority, which of-course the Democrats were threatening.

    They wanted to run out the clock on the Senates session and stop any major reform of Fannie and Freddie from becoming law.

    Well, I guess they succeeded.

    BUT, in 2007 that bill was re-introduced to a Democrat chaired Committee.

    What became of it ?
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I assume your'e talking about the Senate bill. 55 votes is NOT a Filibuster proof Majority, which of-course the Democrats were threatening.

    They wanted to run out the clock on the Senates session and stop any major reform of Fannie and Freddie from becoming law.

    Well, I guess they succeeded.

    BUT, in 2007 that bill was re-introduced to a Democrat chaired Committee.

    What became of it ?
    If a cloture motion wasn't filed, you can yell "THE DEMOCRATS THREATENED FILIBUSTER" all want, but it's only rhetoric and means NOTHING.

    U.S. Senate: Reference Home >

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If a cloture motion wasn't filed, you can yell "THE DEMOCRATS THREATENED FILIBUSTER" all want, but it's only rhetoric and means NOTHING.

    U.S. Senate: Reference Home >

    Were you alive in 1995 ? I distinctly remember the push back from the Democrats on the Senate Bill, and have posted numerous resources to remind people like you.

    Here's the reality. Throughout his entire Presidency, Bush attempted to push strict regulatory control over the growing Fannie and Freddie and throughout his entire Presidency was met with slimy, low life, lying Democrats who refused to allow any new regulations even when the collapse was imminent.

    Iv'e even posted them for you.

    They lied in Republican led committee's, they lied on Fannie Mae's website, in Commercials, in press appearances, you name it. All so they could do the one thing that has come to define the Democrat party in the last 20 years. Their innate ability to cover their corrupt asses.

    After the collapse Democrats wen't into damage control, spun a new narrative to suck in the idiots and the ideologues that desperately needed a distraction from the obvious influence of the mortgage giants on the near collapse of the American economy.

    It was the " banks fault ", the whole "too big to fail " narrative was pushed and hell, they even made a ridiculous movie. Blamed Bush which is even more pathetic since there is record of his numerous attempts to walk back the destruction.

    Too bad they couldn't white wash the Internet and intimidate the dissenters and authors that have documented the collapse from start to finish.

    I tell you what, you list ONE attempt, one bill, one IDEA put out by the Democrats from 2001 to 2008 that tried to address and stop the inevitable collapse of the housing Giants.
    Name one initiative put forth by the Democrats to address the corruption, the massive buying up of crap loans by Fannie Mae, the massive purchases of TOXIC private Mortgage Backed Securities that are essentially worthless now and sitting on the books of our Central banks all because a group of criminals ran the Housing giants like ENRON....and worse.

    List one Democrat attempt to get control over the Country-wide/ Fannie Mae corruption, the behind the scene deals that got Chris Dodd sweat heart deals on mortgages, that allowed Barrack Obama to be #3 on the list of lawmakers who received the Highest payout of Political Contributions from Fannie Mae, that allowed Fannie Mae to buy up over 70% of Country Wides crap loans.

    I'm guessing all you've got is more Bush blame and Bank rhetoric.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There was no vote on House bills passed that are sitting in Harry Reid's desk, is that Democrat stupidity?
    The Republican house has not passed a serious piece of original legislation in the last three congresses. Then again, the Republican legislative record over the past 100 years is pretty pathetic. They have almost NO noteworthy pieces of original legislation that did not involve a war or a tax cut. Its a party remarkably devoid of original ideas.

    Perhaps the only book shorter than "Great Conservative Ideas" is "Great Moments in Astros Baseball".

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The Republican house has not passed a serious piece of original legislation in the last three congresses. Then again, the Republican legislative record over the past 100 years is pretty pathetic. They have almost NO noteworthy pieces of original legislation that did not involve a war or a tax cut. Its a party remarkably devoid of original ideas.

    Perhaps the only book shorter than "Great Conservative Ideas" is "Great Moments in Astros Baseball".
    Is that right? and you know that how? Have you gotten into Harry Reid's desk to see the legislation they have passed? Obama has been an economic disaster yet the best you can do is blame a GOP House that has passed legislation that Reid won't take to the floor.

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