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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And you continue to lack a basic understanding of leadership apparently believing that the 81-82 recession ended on its own without leadership.
    Is this your attempt to show that 81 was worse than 08...again? It was worse because of my misunderstanding of leadership?

    Does this come form that same fountain of knowledge you mentioned before....the "actual data not reported data"?


    The funny thing is, you subsequently use wiki, which if I am not mistaken uses reported data.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Once again, maybe you think people won't read what you post. This comes from the article:
    "A temporary increase in food stamps has the biggest stimulative effect"
    That is correct, IN RELATION TO TAX CUTS.

    And you also wrote out that SNAP was stimulus.
    Yes, I did, that doesn't negate the fact that the article was a comparison of tax cuts to stimulus.


    So I don't understand the backtracking at this point.
    There is no backtracking, you misunderstand what the article is about.


    But it doesn't matter to me.
    You sure spend a lot of time on things that don't matter to you.
    What matters to me my countries economic health. We had two years worth of complete loony tune leadership that set the stage for a bigger disaster than the great depression. At least the major bleeding was stopped after that.
    Um, Bush was in for 8 years.

    Have you considered sending the stress blurb to the White House?
    Is this some twins secret language?
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Is this your attempt to show that 81 was worse than 08...again? It was worse because of my misunderstanding of leadership?

    Does this come form that same fountain of knowledge you mentioned before....the "actual data not reported data"?


    The funny thing is, you subsequently use wiki, which if I am not mistaken uses reported data.
    What do the textbooks tell you about high inflation, high unemployment and slow economic growth? Are you telling me that more than half the country owns a home? What is it about people like you who only buy information that you want to believe? I already know you weren't working in 81-82 in a full time job and my bet is you didn't owe a home yet for some reason you want to believe this recession was worse. Tell me how this recession hurt you and your family and I will give you horror stories, not that you care, about the 81-82 recession.

    Keep running from reality for that is all you do. Are there ever any consequences for you being wrong? Actual data never puts a face or behavior to the data and simply ignores human behavior and the effects of negative conditions on that behavior. People in this recession didn't get that new pair of Air Jordan's or into that concert they wanted.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That is correct, IN RELATION TO TAX CUTS.

    Yes, I did, that doesn't negate the fact that the article was a comparison of tax cuts to stimulus.


    There is no backtracking, you misunderstand what the article is about.


    You sure spend a lot of time on things that don't matter to you. Um, Bush was in for 8 years.

    Is this some twins secret language?
    Since tax cuts don't matter in your world are you sending the govt. a check back for yours? You have a distorted view of the 8 years of Bush and absolutely no view of the present which is right before your eyes.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What do the textbooks tell you about high inflation, high unemployment and slow economic growth?
    I have already told you today, that in 81 they lasted for a short period of time since they were driven by oil prices. I experienced it, I studied it. I am still waiting for you to say what "actual data" instead of "reported data" you are relying on. I know you are talking about your own experience, but I see every day you forget everything from the last time we debated, so I don't know why you would depend on your memory.


    Are you telling me that more than half the country owns a home?
    News flash: More than half own a home, for most it is their primary asset, which lost value, which added to depressed demand. I experienced it, I studied it.


    What is it about people like you who only buy information that you want to believe?
    Again, you loop back to this mysterious "info" you are privy to. Spell it out, Con.


    I already know you weren't working in 81-82 in a full time job and my bet is you didn't owe a home yet for some reason you want to believe this recession was worse.
    Sorry, what difference does it make if I was working part time and going to college? Again, I don't base how bad each recession was just on personal experience, it is also based on study.

    If it was worse for you, so be it....but not everyone shared your experience.

    Tell me how this recession hurt you and your family and I will give you horror stories, not that you care, about the 81-82 recession.
    Trust me, our experience in this recession was far worse, but again, my understanding of these recessions goes beyond personal experience.

    Keep running from reality for that is all you do.
    I'm right here, Con.


    Are there ever any consequences for you being wrong?
    Well I guess if most find that I am wrong then I lose credibility, but nearly all that know a lot more than I do about recessions agree that this is far worse. All of the data bears this out.


    Actual data never puts a face or behavior to the data and simply ignores human behavior and the effects of negative conditions on that behavior.
    There it is again.....this "actual data"....very mysterious!

    People in this recession didn't get that new pair of Air Jordan's or into that concert they wanted.
    And they did in '81? I have no idea what this cryptic message means.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since tax cuts don't matter in your world ...
    Where did I say that, Mr Straw?
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Gimmesometruth;1062045556]I have already told you today, that in 81 they lasted for a short period of time since they were driven by oil prices. I experienced it, I studied it. I am still waiting for you to say what "actual data" instead of "reported data" you are relying on. I know you are talking about your own experience, but I see every day you forget everything from the last time we debated, so I don't know why you would depend on your memory.
    The data is there for all to see, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury sites but doubt that any of that matters since you have no concept of leadership nor understanding as to the role of the Federal Govt. in a private sector economy


    News flash: More than half own a home, for most it is their primary asset, which lost value, which added to depressed demand. I experienced it, I studied it
    .

    Most people who own homes didn't try to sell those homes thus lost nothing. You must live on a shoestring. Losing value isn't losing personal income or increasing your profit demand especially at low interest rates and no inflation.


    Again, you loop back to this mysterious "info" you are privy to. Spell it out, Con.
    Unlike you I actually employed people, invested capital into a business and looked people in the eye to see what happened with high interest rates, high inflation, and higher cost of living. Must be a foreign concept to an individual proprietor that employs no one.


    Sorry, what difference does it make if I was working part time and going to college? Again, I don't base how bad each recession was just on personal experience, it is also based on study.
    Makes all the difference in the world, you think you had the same profit demand of home owners? You have no idea what to base how bad a recession is until you get your talking points. Textbooks never address personal behavior and individual profit demand.

    If it was worse for you, so be it....but not everyone shared your experience.
    Yes, everyone experienced the same thing in the 81-82 recession unlike in this recession. You cannot grasp that reality

    Trust me, our experience in this recession was far worse, but again, my understanding of these recessions goes beyond personal experience.
    That is your opinion, mine differs and unlike you I understand that Obamanomics is a failure and this recession has been prolonged due to very poor leadership


    Well I guess if most find that I am wrong then I lose credibility, but nearly all that know a lot more than I do about recessions agree that this is far worse. All of the data bears this out.
    By exactly what standards, loss in home values? cost of living? what data bears it out, unemployment? Nope, economic growth? Interest rates? nope. You buy what you are told but have really offered nothing to support your position other than book smart liberals out of touch with reality like you are. You need to get out more and actually interact with people

    There it is again.....this "actual data"....very mysterious!
    The one thing data will never tell you is human behavior nor address leadership skills, two issues that are major. Reagan was a leader, Obama is an agitator

    And they did in '81? I have no idea what this cryptic message means.
    Of course you don't because you have no concept of human behavior including your own.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Where did I say that, Mr Straw?
    Putting more spendable income into the hands of the 53% of families that actually pay the federal income taxes and spend that money obviously isn't as important to a liberal than giving people something to keep them dependent. we all know that the 48 million on food stamps are going to benefit the economy much more than the 146 million working Americans with more in their paychecks because of lower taxes. That is liberal logic

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    obviously isn't as important
    This was where you were supposed to show that I said "tax cuts don't matter".

    Just another failure from you.

    And could you please admit that "actual data" = your experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's total bull**** as well:


    Republicans love say Barney Franks and other Democrats kill the attempt to fix Fannie and Freddie by stopping The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 from coming out of committee. The bill went to the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs in 2005. At the time, the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs was controlled by the GOP. Richard Shelby (Alabama R) was the chairman and Paul S. Sarbanes was the ranking member. At that time the GOP had a two person majority over the Democrats. The Democrats publicly criticized the bill but it would have been impossible for them to kill it.

    Additional Details
    S. 190: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

    Introduced Jan 26, 2005
    Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments
    Reported by Committee Jul 28, 2005
    Senate Vote (did not occur)
    House Vote (did not occur)
    Signed by President (did not occur)


    How did Democrats stop the bill to reform Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac when Republicans had the majority? - Yahoo! Answers
    No Bull Sh** is a liberal using Yahoo as a reference.

    S. 190 passed through the Senate Commitee on party lines with a 11-9 vote but the Democrats threatened Fillibuster so it never got a vote.

    Hr1460 was loaded with things like a slush fund and put off new regulatory action for a year so it was useless anyway.

    Please, if your confused just say so. Barney Franks personal influence in the Sub-Prime Collapse is easily documented.

    But I figure youv'e been embarassed enough already.

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