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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    or like Bush had over his followers, right, Con? Take yourself, for example ... even though Bush increased under/unemployed from 10 million to 22 million, far worse than what Obama has done, you still would have voted for him again had he been running in 2008.
    So tell me, were the Reagan 17 million jobs created nominal or real numbers? I would vote for anyone with more experience than Obama which would have been any candidate running against Obama. You have no idea what any other Candidate would have done but we do know what Obama has done. A big disappointment for his supporters except for those who believe in big govt. and penalizing producers.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have a problem with the BEA numbers take it up with them
    Why would I have a problem with the BEA numbers when you're the one dishonestly switching back and forth between nominal and real figures, depending on which numbers you personally prefer?

    The problem is with you using nominal figures for Reagan, but then switching to real figures for Obama. What on Earth does the BEA have to do with that?

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Why would I have a problem with the BEA numbers when you're the one dishonestly switching back and forth between nominal and real figures, depending on which numbers you personally prefer?

    The problem is with you using nominal figures for Reagan, but then switching to real figures for Obama. What on Earth does the BEA have to do with that?
    Still waiting are the 17 million jobs created during the Reagan term real or nominal numbers? If you are going to use real numbers to judge what happened during the Reagan term then use them for the employment numbers as well. Apparently you don't seem to understand what you are doing, using inflation driven numbers 20 years after Reagan left office and then complaining that you cannot do the same thing with Obama whose numbers are too new to be inflation driven is typical liberal bs and why you have no credibility.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So tell me, were the Reagan 17 million jobs created nominal or real numbers?
    Now you're conflating GDP with employment???

    Do you think that's a rational substitute for you getting caught dishonestly cherry-picking GDP number that you personally favor?


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I would vote for anyone with more experience than Obama which would have been any candidate running against Obama.
    You've already demonstrated you will vote for whomever the Republican candidate is. Doesn't matter who it is. I have no doubt that you would vote for Obama had he run as a Republican.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have no idea what any other Candidate would have done but we do know what Obama has done. A big disappointment for his supporters except for those who believe in big govt. and penalizing producers.
    Well given that every Republican president has done worse than every Democrat president since the BLS has been keeping stats, with the lone exception of Reagan edging out Carter by 1/10th of one percent -- I say with complete confidence that we are better off with Obama than either McCain or Romney.

    Here's the list of presidents, along with the level of increase, or decrease, of the U3 unemployment rate after 53 months in office...


    Clinton -2.3 -32%
    Johnson -2.2 -39%
    Kennedy** -1.2 -14%
    Obama -0.2 -3%
    Reagan -0.1 -1%
    Carter*** 0.0 0%
    Bush +0.8 +19%
    Eisenhower +1.4 +48%
    Nixon +1.5 +44%
    GHW Bush*** +1.9 +35%
    Ford* +2.0 +36%

    * = in office 29 months

    ** = in office 34 months

    *** = in office 48 months

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting are the 17 million jobs created during the Reagan term real or nominal numbers? If you are going to use real numbers to judge what happened during the Reagan term then use them for the employment numbers as well. Apparently you don't seem to understand what you are doing, using inflation driven numbers 20 years after Reagan left office and then complaining that you cannot do the same thing with Obama whose numbers are too new to be inflation driven is typical liberal bs and why you have no credibility.
    Inflation is too new???


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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Now you're conflating GDP with employment???

    Do you think that's a rational substitute for you getting caught dishonestly cherry-picking GDP number that you personally favor?



    You've already demonstrated you will vote for whomever the Republican candidate is. Doesn't matter who it is. I have no doubt that you would vote for Obama had he run as a Republican.


    Well given that every Republican president has done worse than every Democrat president since the BLS has been keeping stats, with the lone exception of Reagan edging out Carter by 1/10th of one percent -- I say with complete confidence that we are better off with Obama than either McCain or Romney.

    Here's the list of presidents, along with the level of increase, or decrease, of the U3 unemployment rate after 53 months in office...


    Clinton -2.3 -32%
    Johnson -2.2 -39%
    Kennedy** -1.2 -14%
    Obama -0.2 -3%
    Reagan -0.1 -1%
    Carter*** 0.0 0%
    Bush +0.8 +19%
    Eisenhower +1.4 +48%
    Nixon +1.5 +44%
    GHW Bush*** +1.9 +35%
    Ford* +2.0 +36%

    * = in office 29 months

    ** = in office 34 months

    *** = in office 48 months

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
    No I am not, if you are going to use inflation as an indicator then use inflation adjusted employment numbers. Just goes to show how stupid your argument is. It really is a shame how little you know about leadership and yet how you follow someone who lacks basic good leadership skills in that he says "do as I say not as I do" and like a good little soldier you follow. You have no concept of basic economics, no understanding of basic human nature including your own, and honestly think you are fooling anyone with the numbers you post that are totally irrelevant. Can you imagine what tripling the debt would do today but somehow 1.7 trillion increase or tripling of the debt is worse than 6.2 trillion in debt which is a 60% increase. A better percentage change in unemployment numbers are also irrelevant because they don't recognize the individuals involved in those numbers. When did Ford have 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers? Talk about cherrypicking numbers, you do that all the time with percentage change which means nothing.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Inflation is too new???

    We will wait 20 years to compare Obama's numbers to the President at that time.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Oh, I see you like to shorten up what I typed out. That's OK. I never expect honesty out of a liberal, never. Not a single one of them have it in them. He probably did say something like that. But it had nothing to do with what caused the housing crash.
    I shorten your posts to the part I choose to respond to.

    You claiming Bush's (and Republicans) policies had nothing to do with it is either turning a blind eye to it or simpoly don't understand what caused the crash.

    And yes, Bush did say that. Not something like that -- exactly that.


    "Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech

    So you can deny it all you want, but Bush tacitly confessed to the "crime".

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    I don't even know what any of these threads in BN are about anymore because whenever I open them they have nothing to do with the topic.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We will wait 20 years to compare Obama's numbers to the President at that time.
    Holy ****!

    Forget about comparing Reagan's numbers with Obama's. Your claim, as bizarre as it is, is that we should factor in inflation from 2009-2013, but not when looking at the numbers from between 1981-1988.

    Inflation affects ALL of the numbers, not just for Obama.

    But again, you like the nominal figures better between 1981-1988, just so you could make the fallacious claim that he doubled GDP, when in fact, he didn't.

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