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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The way I see it, the two Nations of the World with trade surpluses and sound money are going to practice together for their mutual security.
    China values its own money and operates without human, labor, civil and environmental rights. That's hardly secure. The only reason China's money is worth anything is US debt. Consider this, if the US cancelled debt to China, it would fragment and all but cease to exist as a nation. That's not secure either.

    China is a paper tiger, a facade.

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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The way I see it, the two Nations of the World with trade surpluses and sound money are going to practice together for their mutual security. The countries with the bogus monies and huge trade deficits are scared because these strong militaries threaten what backs the bogus "fiat monies."
    That's interesting...We don't normally agree on much Dave, but there are those moments....What do you think would be the fate of the US, or even the "Western allies" should the US dollar be dominated by either Russian, or China currency in terms of reserve currency, with a joint military power to back it up?

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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    China values its own money and operates without human, labor, civil and environmental rights. That's hardly secure. The only reason China's money is worth anything is US debt. Consider this, if the US cancelled debt to China, it would fragment and all but cease to exist as a nation. That's not secure either.

    China is a paper tiger, a facade.

    Right! Get me some of whatever you been smokin'.

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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Alternate Title: Country that tries to be a super power but can't because their economy is a giant on stilts joins country that used to be relevant but since ceasing to be relevant has gone deeper and deeper down the toilet for naval drills.
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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Right! Get me some of whatever you been smokin'.
    You think reality is a reason to accuse someone of being on drugs? You cannot ignore reality and substitute conspiracy theory via a personal shot at someone. How about, instead, you show us how anything in that post is unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's interesting...We don't normally agree on much Dave, but there are those moments....What do you think would be the fate of the US, or even the "Western allies" should the US dollar be dominated by either Russian, or China currency in terms of reserve currency, with a joint military power to back it up?



    Like it or not this is still a deeply Christian country, and many do believe, certainly more that do, than don't. So, although you don't, I am sure you would agree that you wouldn't want me to denigrate your beliefs, by comparing it to say that of a mental ward patient would you?
    I believe that is inevitable and bankers are scurrying at this time to try to accumulate assets of real value in the future. The paper money ain't gonna be so good, so change assets to real estate, precious metals, rights, and other tangibles so when the reserve status changes they will retain value. Militaries are always the red herring in these scenarios and whoever writes their paychecks will be the unseen hand. As regards religion. Religion has been the cause of more wars than any other reason. It doesn't have a very good track record.

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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    China values its own money and operates without human, labor, civil and environmental rights. That's hardly secure. The only reason China's money is worth anything is US debt. Consider this, if the US cancelled debt to China, it would fragment and all but cease to exist as a nation. That's not secure either.

    China is a paper tiger, a facade.
    China is 1.3 billion or more people with a continuous society for over 5,000 years. China's money represents its productive capacity and is the manufacturer to the World. The US debt to China means when the Chinese repatriate USDollars for National Parks, Oil, gas, timber, mineral, etc. leases to turn those fiat papers into productive assets that the US will lose those assets. China manufactures much of our electronics, everyday products, has its own satellite communication systems, weapons, armies, ships, dirt, dirtbags and politicians. It has been kind to the USA by not crashing the dollar by selling its dollar reserves and always holds that card in the geopolitical poker game. Paper Tiger, my ass. A hard working group of 1.3 billion citizens negotiating currency swap agreements around the world, so they do not have to use the USDollar. They're not in a hurry. Continuous society for 5,000 years.

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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I really don't give a rat's ass what China and Russia do.

    It's not a threat to the USofA.

    Period.
    Especially not when religion is used as predictor compared to say regression analysis for instance.
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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    China is 1.3 billion or more people with a continuous society for over 5,000 years. China's money represents its productive capacity and is the manufacturer to the World.
    It's a slave labor regime.

    The US debt to China means when the Chinese repatriate USDollars for National Parks, Oil, gas, timber, mineral, etc. leases to turn those fiat papers into productive assets that the US will lose those assets.
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    China manufactures much of our electronics, everyday products, has its own satellite communication systems, weapons, armies, ships, dirt, dirtbags and politicians. It has been kind to the USA by not crashing the dollar by selling its dollar reserves and always holds that card in the geopolitical poker game.
    What country ceases to exist if the debt is cancelled? The one in debt or the one holding the debt.

    Paper Tiger, my ass.
    What?

    A hard working group of 1.3 billion citizens negotiating currency swap agreements around the world, so they do not have to use the USDollar. They're not in a hurry. Continuous society for 5,000 years.
    They are a nation of slave labor, operating without human, civil, labor or environmental rights. All the things you consider terrible about the US economic system are much much worse in China. Yet, you claim they are more stable.

    Regarding worker rights - on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best, if the US is a 5 then China is a 1. And yet you laud it... why?

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    Re: China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I believe that is inevitable and bankers are scurrying at this time to try to accumulate assets of real value in the future.
    Inevitable is a subjective term. Could be today, could be tomorrow, could be in the year 2375 A.D. right? So that banks, and indeed governments are buying up say Gold, Silver, and other precious metals could be in semi panic of events that won't happen right?

    The paper money ain't gonna be so good, so change assets to real estate, precious metals, rights, and other tangibles so when the reserve status changes they will retain value.
    As I said, although governments, strike that, SOME governments are buying up assets like this, doesn't necessarily mean that a collapse of the US Dollar as world reserve currency is, or is not "inevitable" is it?

    Militaries are always the red herring in these scenarios and whoever writes their paychecks will be the unseen hand.
    The "unseen hand"? Who is that? Please tell me we are not veering off into conspiracy territory are we? MIlitaries are the force used by Government to impose their will. So, if you take a situation where the world's reserve currency collapses, chaos would ensue would it not? Isn't it also possible in a scenario like this that a Military, or collaboration of military cooperation could, and most likely would be used to attempt to shift the balance of power in the world?

    As regards religion. Religion has been the cause of more wars than any other reason. It doesn't have a very good track record.
    You may be more correct if you said misinterpretation of religion, or religious dogma has aided in the start of many conflicts, but to just say religion itself is the cause of many wars is incorrect, and I think an anti religious biased view.
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