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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So its not possible that Hitler, Lenin, Castro or Mussolini had a different definition of Socialism than you?
    Nope. Again, if a word is that malleable, it has no meaning.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. Again, if a word is that malleable, it has no meaning.
    Exactly! This is why it has to be determined what the word socialism means to different people so that we can better understand their point of view. Websters is useless in cases like this, as are many other political terms.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly! This is why it has to be determined what the word socialism means to different people so that we can better understand their point of view. Websters is useless in cases like this, as are many other political terms.
    So, the word has no meaning? I'm sorry, but that makes even discussing it useless. If I can say democracy means fascism, Christianity is killing animals and smearing myself with blood and yelling praise Satan, and love means beating he hell out of the person and degrading them at every turn. In you're world, there is no meaning.

    Nope, that's just stupid. You can call a turd a good bar, but it's still a turd.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, the word has no meaning?
    Look through my posts again and read your response. You said if the word is that malleable it has no meaning. Correct? And the word, as demonstrated, is malleable, I gave you several examples of why, in fact. Did you not see them? Do you not see that the word Socialism is malleable? Or do you believe that Castro el al had the same meaning in mind?

    You're obviously full of good bars.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    WTF does any of this socialism crap have to do with the argument? Obama could be a radical anarchist and it doesn't make any difference because he did not make the policy nor enforce it. Socialism has nothing to do with any of this as it is an economic system which does not determine anything about the religious beliefs or non-beliefs of it's people. Talk about your derailments. If you want to argue the meaning of socialism go argue it in a thread that deals with it. Don't bring it into unrelated issues because you cannot deal with the actual topic and want to distract from the real issue.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well it seems that there is a dictionary definition, as supplied by Boo, and then a mix, as defined by others. It would seem that Obama is at least part Socialist, a term Boo appears to deny. There also appears to be a stigma attached to Socialism because its seems to be made in Obama's defense that he is not a socialist.

    Which leads to the questions as to whether 'stealth socialism' really does exist and as a nation is undergoing greater and greater socialism it can only be completed, ii it ever can be completed, if the process is always being denied.
    having better social programs is not the same as having socialist policies. I am sorry, but as a person who knows about socialism, I can see no evidence that Obama is to the left of me politically (which he would have to be to be a socialist).

    When the founders started the US there was no need for a decent program to help people who struggle so badly that they are living at the periphery of prosperity/existence. There was enough room and natural resources for people to "work it out for themselves". The founding fathers could not have predicted that the US would become a behemoth with 300 million inhabitants, with cities in which many millions live, where drugs/gangs/violence thrive and where there is a need for a good social safety net. You cannot blame the founding father's for not being fortune tellers, you can blame politicians that should know better.

    Self rescue from poverty without help from the government (but rely on churches etc) is not realistic. There are just not enough possibilities to work yourself out of poverty, the economic growth does not exist and will never exist anymore. There are just too many people living in the US/world for that to be possible. And I would much rather pay a bit more in taxes to make sure that children do not have to live on the streets or for veterans to live in their cars etc. This will also have an effect on education, crime and prosperity IMHO.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Can someone please explain to me how wearing a tiny symbol of one's religion possibly be offensive?

    I have thrown every possible scenario I can imagine against the wall and thus far nothing has stuck!
    This is where I get one of my pagan friends to wear a pentacle on campus and then hit the university with a massive lawsuit if they fail to tell them to remove it.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It will be my policy to point out that Christians do not follow their own creed when they cannot turn the other cheek especially after an apology was given.
    A more practical application of this principle would be "turn the other cheek, and then call your lawyer."

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    having better social programs is not the same as having socialist policies. I am sorry, but as a person who knows about socialism, I can see no evidence that Obama is to the left of me politically (which he would have to be to be a socialist).

    When the founders started the US there was no need for a decent program to help people who struggle so badly that they are living at the periphery of prosperity/existence. There was enough room and natural resources for people to "work it out for themselves". The founding fathers could not have predicted that the US would become a behemoth with 300 million inhabitants, with cities in which many millions live, where drugs/gangs/violence thrive and where there is a need for a good social safety net. You cannot blame the founding father's for not being fortune tellers, you can blame politicians that should know better.

    Self rescue from poverty without help from the government (but rely on churches etc) is not realistic. There are just not enough possibilities to work yourself out of poverty, the economic growth does not exist and will never exist anymore. There are just too many people living in the US/world for that to be possible. And I would much rather pay a bit more in taxes to make sure that children do not have to live on the streets or for veterans to live in their cars etc. This will also have an effect on education, crime and prosperity IMHO.
    The definition of "socialism" is certainly slippery, is it not? It seems to take on whatever meaning is most convenient.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The definition of "socialism" is certainly slippery, is it not? It seems to take on whatever meaning is most convenient.

    I would agree - mostly because a segment of the American populace has decided (without evidence) the President is a "Socialist!" and will twist and spin the English language and prevaricate in as many ways as possible in their efforts to 'prove' he is.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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