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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah... I wonder where that stigma came from?
    Probably from those people who lived under socialist systems.

    I get the feeling that if you were ever asked to debate a policy rather than attack general terms and phrases you like to banty about, the conversation wouldn't go very far.
    Actually socialism is a policy, is it not? Yet it seems there is some dispute about what the term actually means.

    I'll drop a name here. Plato established the idea that when we engage in debate it is most important to initially define your terms in a precise manner. This is what I'm attempting to do, this being a debate board. If you don't agree then I'd be interested in your reasoning.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's called Paranoia on your part.
    Did you notice that the phrase was part of a question?

    I know you don't follow politics too closely but I did not invent the term 'stealth socialism'.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did you notice that the phrase was part of a question?

    I know you don't follow politics too closely but I did not invent the term 'stealth socialism'.
    Yes, it's previous paranoia. I can't rove something nor match it to what the word really means, so I invent something to disguise lack of actual proof.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, it's previous paranoia. I can't rove something nor match it to what the word really means, so I invent something to disguise lack of actual proof.
    If you read the posts you'll see varying definitions, demonstrating that the term can mean different things to different people.

    Does this shock you?

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you read the posts you'll see varying definitions, demonstrating that the term can mean different things to different people.

    Does this shock you?
    Does it shock me that people want to corrupt the meaning of a word to fit their agenda? No. But the still has a real and specific meaning, if it is so malleable that we can all have our own meaning for the word, the word then becomes meaningless, and no one should use it any more. But, this word has a clearly defined meaning. Any one using any other way is just plain wrong.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Does it shock me that people want to corrupt the meaning of a word to fit their agenda? No. But the still has a real and specific meaning, if it is so malleable that we can all have our own meaning for the word, the word then becomes meaningless, and no one should use it any more. But, this word has a clearly defined meaning. Any one using any other way is just plain wrong.
    Did the USSR corrupt the meaning of the S word or did they get it right? What about the Nazis? Right or wrong? Castro?

    Are you putting Websters definition ahead of all the others? It seems that Websters, at least in the part you quoted, came up short.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did the USSR corrupt the meaning of the S word or did they get it right? What about the Nazis? Right or wrong? Castro?

    Are you putting Websters definition ahead of all the others? It seems that Websters, at least in the part you quoted, came up short.
    They all took different forms of government that had exact definitions. Calling it socialism didn't make it socialism. You list here communism and fascism. They too have well defined characteristics. We could call them democracy, but that that wouldn't make them a democracy.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They all took different forms of government that had exact definitions. Calling it socialism didn't make it socialism. You list here communism and fascism. They too have well defined characteristics. We could call them democracy, but that that wouldn't make them a democracy.
    You call it Communism and Fascism, they called it Socialism. So who am I to believe? I guess its a question of who has the most credibility.

    But the point which should be obvious is that there are varying definitions of the word 'socialism'. When Castro shouted "Socialism or Death" he probably wasn't referring to your Websters definition.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You call it Communism and Fascism, they called it Socialism. So who am I to believe? I guess its a question of who has the most credibility.

    But the point which should be obvious is that there are varying definitions of the word 'socialism'. When Castro shouted "Socialism or Death" he probably wasn't referring to your Websters definition.
    No, there really isn't. You mistake pro grandma for definition. And you all for the same tricks used by those who called fascism socialism. You can't accepted the propagandist at face value. One has to be able to see the difference. Otherwise, one simple becomes one if the sheep.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, there really isn't. You mistake pro grandma for definition. And you all for the same tricks used by those who called fascism socialism. You can't accepted the propagandist at face value. One has to be able to see the difference. Otherwise, one simple becomes one if the sheep.
    So its not possible that Hitler, Lenin, Castro or Mussolini had a different definition of Socialism than you?

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