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Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

While a common narrative is that today's events aborted Egypt's most recent democratic experiment, that narrative is incorrect. Former President Morsi initially undermined it in usurping the Constitutional Court's authority late last year to ram through a constitutional document (now suspended) against the objections of Egypt's minorities.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f08f7efc-3c75-11e2-86a4-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2Y2rtWbPg

Egypt remains a generally moderate society. The events that preceded Morsi's ouster gained force as the widening gap between where Egypt's people stood and where Morsi was trying to lead the country became unsustainable.
 
Is this going to be an annual thing I wonder, where they install a new muslim extremist. I don't see how this country as a whole deserves voting rights, when they continue to operate under a theocracy and rely on military coup.
 
Re the democratically elected comments....Morsi was democratically elected under the guise of democracy and he didn't deliver what he promised. He was giving too much power to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists and had failed to tackle the country's many economic problems.

The power of the people belongs to the people and i say good for them for refusing to cop that and be forced to lived under Islamic Rule. Egyptians have used their voice to tell the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists that they do not wish to live like that. I'm proud and happy for them. How is that not a good thing? People here whine when they don't speak out and yet when they do they still whine. Damned if they do and damned if they don't, you just can't please some people. It's also far better to have the military remove the President, than to have the President send the army after the people and remove them isnt it?

The people still have a way to go and i hope Egypt can find the way to a democratic form of government peacefully, sooner rather than later. For now they have prevented their Country from turning into another Iran anytime soon. I sit in solidarity with them and can only hope they continue to push for a free and peaceful Egypt.
 
Let's hope. Morsi appears to have won the prior election fair and square but there's more to democracy than elections and that may have been an artifact of the Mubarak days, when it was a highly organized opposition. Egypt didn't have the institutional framework and checks and balances to keep the Brotherhood from acting like petty dictators. But at least they proved themselves inept at fixing economic problems (probably because they fixated on religious ones), so hopefully they will lose the next election fair and square.

I think the elections weren't as smooth as people seem to think they were, as you know Morsi's main support during the first round came from poorer areas while the bigger cities Like Cairo and Alexandria were won by the Nasserist secular Hamdeen Sabahi and others won by Shafiq and Moussa, the Brotherhood were caught handing out food in exchange for votes all through out the election, also the Brotherhood's supporters would in areas where there was support for Shafiq physically stop people from voting and threaten to use violence, and then there were the religious edicts making it a 'sin' to vote for Shafiq, not to mention the threats that were made by some of their supporters about bloodshed if they do not get their way. After all that, Shafiq who excluding the military was pretty much the biggest remnant of the old regime (undoubtedly the most hated group of people in Egypt at the time) managed to end with 48% of the vote.

I just want to see more severe repercussions to voter manipulations be it through religion and threats or food and so on.


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The good news is that the Muslim Brotherhood had their chance to reform the economy and raise living standards. They frittered it away on religious squabbles (predictably).

I saw that they'd fail and fall, hopefully it wasn't too soon.

I'll be surprised if the military authority give up it's power, peacefully.
That is very unlikely to happen, the people won't let it, obviously they are not afraid of taking things into their own hands and the military leaders know it.
I'd be extremely surprised if they do not stick to their roadmap and there is no reason what to think they won't.

They sat back and allowed things to deteriorate, so they could play the cavalry and ride in to save the day.
Not really, what were they supposed to do, forcibly disperse protesters? its Morsi that let things deteriorate by refusing to meet with the opposition and only giving concessions far too late.
 
And I find it funny Egyptians cheering and suspending their constitution. ****ing idiots, imho.

Heya AC.
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What I find amusing is how Western Media reports the News as Morsi Supporters are this or that. That Morsi and his supporters etc etc.

While it may be true to use the term Supporters.....it is quite deceptive. As those that support Morsi are in fact the Muslim Brotherhood. Notice it doesn't say Egyptian Brotherhood.

So now is the time to keep taking it to them. The Egyptian Military has arrested more than 40 of them. This morning most of its leaders in Egypt are sitting in the same Prison they sent Mubarak to. Again hunt them all down, leave no stone unturned.....as affecting their entire Operation will also have a decimating effect upon AQ.

There will only be a minority of Egyptians that will have something to say once the MB is no more. There is no need to hold Court for the Terrorist Organization nor its members.
 
Whoosh! Right over your partisan head.

If Romney were president he'd invade and spend another $3T alienating half the world.

This is funny! You cry “partisan foul" because you don’t agree with someone’s perspective on the historical facts and then follow up with your own partisan Argumentum Ad Speculum? How rich and entertaining.
 
Egypt army commander suspends constitution

CAIRO (Reuters) - The head of Egypt's armed forces issued a declaration on Wednesday suspending the constitution and appointing the head of the constitutional court as interim head of state.

In a televised broadcast, flanked by military leaders, religious authorities and political figures, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi effectively declared the removal of elected Islamist President Mohamed Mursi.


What happens now in the Egypt?

The Tamarod movement, which was only ever united around opposition to Morsi, will begin to fracture under the pressure of elections.

Egypt's economic problems will continue to worsen, perhaps temporarily alleviated if they are able to secure that $4.8 Bn from the IMF, but only temporarily. The long term solution has to be removal of the military from the economy, which is unlikely to happen, given that the military effectively refuses to acknowledge the right of civilian government to exercise authority over it.

Egypt's judges and military will effectively fill the void, ruling Egypt in the absence of a strong and functioning representative government. Just as they did under Mubarak. Both will insist that the provision of civil services is the duty of that government, however, which allows them to place the blame for Egypt's continuing problems on her sclerotic "state", perhaps nominally headed by ElBaradei.

If they try to push the MB out of the political process, the MB will go back to being an effective opposition to the government (which it has had many years to get good at). If they try to incorporate the MB into the political process, they will find that its superior cohesion makes it once again powerful relative to the other parties, and they shall be back where they started.
 
but bit bit Baracky is so smart he is hinting he is going to withhold US money from the moderate secular military if they do not return power to the radical Islamist,,,,,real "merican leadership right there.

Here is a clue--this and Syria are when Obama voting "present" would actually be the right thing to do. He has lots of practice so it shouldn't be hard for him.

See that's the thing about a radical leftist President who had a radical left administration the first four years and nothing is going to change his second four years. He gave I think about a billion to a country being run by a terrorist supporter and now when the country regains it's senses and removes him, our radical leftist doesn't want to give them money. Even though the guy they removed was backing terrorist in Syria. And lets not forget the complete brain dead move made against Libya where our same leftist President directly armed some of our enemies. And the spill over problems that has caused. All to overthrow a leader who was doing what the west asked of him. In his defense he had to have had additional brain dead help on the Libya move. Sec Clinton had to be in on that from the start as well.

Yes siree Bob, the rest of the world is finally waking up as to what kind of bumbling numbskull our President is but here at home the same clowns that supported him to begin with still refuse to quit practicing insanity.
 
You never want to see so many people unhappy and oppressed, but you never like to see the democratic process be trampled on, it sets a dangerous precedent both ways that it is ok to overthrow a government. I will be very concerned if the Obama administration continues to give so much aid to Egypt without repercussions.
 
You never want to see so many people unhappy and oppressed, but you never like to see the democratic process be trampled on, it sets a dangerous precedent both ways that it is ok to overthrow a government. I will be very concerned if the Obama administration continues to give so much aid to Egypt without repercussions.

....This is weird. You are correct on something ("correct" being defined as synonymous with "agrees with cpwill").

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....This is weird. You are correct on something ("correct" being defined as synonymous with "agrees with cpwill").

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I don't know if that's good or bad.
 
I'll say again what I said during the original Egyptian Revolution two years ago: I sincerely hope the Egyptian people get what they want, but they should be a bit more careful about what they are wishing for.

The country is now destined for at least another 12-18 months of military rule, and IIRC things didn't go all that swimmingly last time, with foreign journalists (including more than a dozen Americans) being rounded up, and female protesters being dragged in for mandatory "virginity tests". When the Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi won, I knew the country would be in the dumpster soon. When Morsi appointed Muslim Brotherhood members to write the Egyptian constitution which required 2/3 vote of Parliament to remove him, then promptly disbanded the entire Parliament giving himself the soul ability to write and implement law, I knew this would happen.

In less than a year, Morsi and the MB have consolidated power throughout the country. That's what happens when you have a dozen individuals running for president, and 25% of the population votes for their candidate while the rest of the nation splits their vote between the rest.

The Muslim Brotherhood will not suffer this defeat quietly. I fear for the Egyptian people. :(
 
I'll say again what I said during the original Egyptian Revolution two years ago: I sincerely hope the Egyptian people get what they want, but they should be a bit more careful about what they are wishing for.

The country is now destined for at least another 12-18 months of military rule, and IIRC things didn't go all that swimmingly last time, with foreign journalists (including more than a dozen Americans) being rounded up, and female protesters being dragged in for mandatory "virginity tests". When the Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi won, I knew the country would be in the dumpster soon. When Morsi appointed Muslim Brotherhood members to write the Egyptian constitution which required 2/3 vote of Parliament to remove him, then promptly disbanded the entire Parliament giving himself the soul ability to write and implement law, I knew this would happen.

In less than a year, Morsi and the MB have consolidated power throughout the country. That's what happens when you have a dozen individuals running for president, and 25% of the population votes for their candidate while the rest of the nation splits their vote between the rest.

The Muslim Brotherhood will not suffer this defeat quietly. I fear for the Egyptian people. :(

I hope you are wrong about the Brotherhood, but Morsi was out of control. The military seem to be doing their best to put a lid on his followers and maybe it will work.
 
You never want to see so many people unhappy and oppressed, but you never like to see the democratic process be trampled on, it sets a dangerous precedent both ways that it is ok to overthrow a government. I will be very concerned if the Obama administration continues to give so much aid to Egypt without repercussions.

Morsi and the Brotherhood have trampled all Democratic reforms, dissolved the Parliament and was making all the laws unopposed. How is that part of a "Democratic Process"? The Democratic revolution was hijacked by islamist fundamentalists, there would have been no further elections. Obama was very concerned about giving aid to Morsi and it appears he was right.
 
....This is weird. You are correct on something ("correct" being defined as synonymous with "agrees with cpwill").

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What is it about islamist fundamentalists you like again?
I'm happy that Morsi's hijacking of the revolution was stopped. Egyptians don't want sharia law and I can't say I blame them.
 
What is it about islamist fundamentalists you like again?

not much. neither am i a fan of mobocracy, or juntas.

I'm happy that Morsi's hijacking of the revolution was stopped. Egyptians don't want sharia law and I can't say I blame them.

I find it interesting you project your preferences onto them.

You may want to reconsider. Support for Shariah has remained a consistently solid majority position throughout the revolution.
 
not much. neither am i a fan of mobocracy, or juntas.



I find it interesting you project your preferences onto them.

You may want to reconsider. Support for Shariah has remained a consistently solid majority position throughout the revolution.

Wow 1000 people took a poll over a year ago and Egypt is pro Sharia. Buyer regret is a powerful force, and no more than 25% would agree today.
But this means that you would be against revolution this country if the ELECTED President dissolved Congress and the Supreme Court, rewrote the Constitution and made hinself the chief lawmaker and President for life? It's times like these that I wonder what form of Govt. the right wing really prefers...is it a dictatorship? That scares me more than anything. The further right they move the more they appear to favor a fascist State. Is that what you think we need too?
 
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Maybe last year but not any more

:doh so you think that a major belief system of the majority of Egyptians for years has been changed and your evidence for this is because you approve of the change?

Pew: April 2013:

....The percentage of Muslims who say they want sharia to be “the official law of the land” varies widely around the world, from fewer than one-in-ten in Azerbaijan (8%) to near unanimity in Afghanistan (99%). But solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favor the establishment of sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt and 89% in the Palestinian territories....

They don't draw the same distinction between Shariah and Freedom/Democracy that you do.

So you would be against revolution this country is the President dissolved Congress, rewrote the Constitution and made hinself the chief lawmaker with no approvals needed? It's times like these that I wonder what form of Govt. the right wing really prefers...is it a dictatorship?

You appear to be confusing opposition to mobs and juntas as support for the Morsi.

Our President has decided to blatantly abuse the Constitution, ignore the law, and avoid the required approval of the other branches. Just like Morsi, he has therefore found himself with a large protest movement capable of putting large numbers of people in the streets. That doesn't justify the Army or Marine Corps deciding to arrest him and declare themselves suddenly magically the arbiters of political legitimacy in American society. There is no "good" side in this conflict.
 
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Wow 1000 people took a poll over a year ago and Egypt is pro Sharia. Buyer regret is a powerful force, and no more than 25% would agree today.

Well if demonstratable that would be a major switch. Can you point to a pollster with the credibility of Pew who found only a 25% support for Shariah in Egypt within the last few months?

But this means that you would be against revolution this country if the ELECTED President dissolved Congress and the Supreme Court, rewrote the Constitution and made hinself the chief lawmaker and President for life?

Morsi did not do all of those things. However, if a President were to do those things, yes, he would be in violation of the Constitution and rebellion would be justified.

It's times like these that I wonder what form of Govt. the right wing really prefers...is it a dictatorship? That scares me more than anything. The further right they move the more they appear to favor a fascist State. Is that what you think we need too?

:roll: thank you for once again demonstrating the fundamental intellectual unseriousness of the hyperbolic left.
 
That's just ridiculous..price of everything sky rocketing...i guess everything is just messed up for a common man...
 
As much as I detest Morsi, he was elected in a democratic election.

WTF is wrong with people like you ?!?!?

Hitler was elected "democratically" !!!!! Does that mean you were/are going to defend that butthole because he was elected "democratically" ?!?!?!?
 
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WTF is wrong with people like you ?!?!?

Hitler was elected "democratically" !!!!!

Examples of leaders who were not democratically elected

...Adolf Hitler is commonly said to have been "elected," but he was actually appointed via backroom deals....

Godwin's Law






That, however, is neither here nor there. Obama was also democratically elected, and he is also an abuser of the law and a generally gawdawful president. If someone in the military were to attempt to use the Tea Party as an excuse to launch a coup, however, I would find myself rapidly in (quite possibly) armed opposition to that group.

Does that mean you were/are going to defend that butthole because he was elected "democratically" ?!?!?!?

You seem to be confusing "representative government" with the winner of a particular election.
 
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Examples of leaders who were not democratically elected



Godwin's Law






That, however, is neither here nor there. Obama was also democratically elected, and he is also an abuser of the law and a generally gawdawful president. If someone in the military were to attempt to use the Tea Party as an excuse to launch a coup, however, I would find myself rapidly in (quite possibly) armed opposition to that group.



You seem to be confusing "representative government" with the winner of a particular election.

RESPONSE:

Your libber verbiage is transparent. One can always claim EVERY election is rigged because of one's own personal bias.

Using the same kind of bullpoop Obummer was elected by a 95% plus black vote, and by non-black voters consumed with a faulty guilt complex re blacks which makes the Obummer election clearly a RACIST election.
 
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