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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    While a common narrative is that today's events aborted Egypt's most recent democratic experiment, that narrative is incorrect. Former President Morsi initially undermined it in usurping the Constitutional Court's authority late last year to ram through a constitutional document (now suspended) against the objections of Egypt's minorities.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f08f7efc-3...#ixzz2Y2rtWbPg

    Egypt remains a generally moderate society. The events that preceded Morsi's ouster gained force as the widening gap between where Egypt's people stood and where Morsi was trying to lead the country became unsustainable.

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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Good, a new Nasser.

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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Is this going to be an annual thing I wonder, where they install a new muslim extremist. I don't see how this country as a whole deserves voting rights, when they continue to operate under a theocracy and rely on military coup.

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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Re the democratically elected comments....Morsi was democratically elected under the guise of democracy and he didn't deliver what he promised. He was giving too much power to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists and had failed to tackle the country's many economic problems.

    The power of the people belongs to the people and i say good for them for refusing to cop that and be forced to lived under Islamic Rule. Egyptians have used their voice to tell the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists that they do not wish to live like that. I'm proud and happy for them. How is that not a good thing? People here whine when they don't speak out and yet when they do they still whine. Damned if they do and damned if they don't, you just can't please some people. It's also far better to have the military remove the President, than to have the President send the army after the people and remove them isnt it?

    The people still have a way to go and i hope Egypt can find the way to a democratic form of government peacefully, sooner rather than later. For now they have prevented their Country from turning into another Iran anytime soon. I sit in solidarity with them and can only hope they continue to push for a free and peaceful Egypt.

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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Let's hope. Morsi appears to have won the prior election fair and square but there's more to democracy than elections and that may have been an artifact of the Mubarak days, when it was a highly organized opposition. Egypt didn't have the institutional framework and checks and balances to keep the Brotherhood from acting like petty dictators. But at least they proved themselves inept at fixing economic problems (probably because they fixated on religious ones), so hopefully they will lose the next election fair and square.
    I think the elections weren't as smooth as people seem to think they were, as you know Morsi's main support during the first round came from poorer areas while the bigger cities Like Cairo and Alexandria were won by the Nasserist secular Hamdeen Sabahi and others won by Shafiq and Moussa, the Brotherhood were caught handing out food in exchange for votes all through out the election, also the Brotherhood's supporters would in areas where there was support for Shafiq physically stop people from voting and threaten to use violence, and then there were the religious edicts making it a 'sin' to vote for Shafiq, not to mention the threats that were made by some of their supporters about bloodshed if they do not get their way. After all that, Shafiq who excluding the military was pretty much the biggest remnant of the old regime (undoubtedly the most hated group of people in Egypt at the time) managed to end with 48% of the vote.

    I just want to see more severe repercussions to voter manipulations be it through religion and threats or food and so on.


    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin
    The good news is that the Muslim Brotherhood had their chance to reform the economy and raise living standards. They frittered it away on religious squabbles (predictably).
    I saw that they'd fail and fall, hopefully it wasn't too soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'll be surprised if the military authority give up it's power, peacefully.
    That is very unlikely to happen, the people won't let it, obviously they are not afraid of taking things into their own hands and the military leaders know it.
    I'd be extremely surprised if they do not stick to their roadmap and there is no reason what to think they won't.

    They sat back and allowed things to deteriorate, so they could play the cavalry and ride in to save the day.
    Not really, what were they supposed to do, forcibly disperse protesters? its Morsi that let things deteriorate by refusing to meet with the opposition and only giving concessions far too late.
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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    So the Irish Times has an interesting take on why there was a Coup. All about Syria and this was actually a blow to the US who's trying to overthrow Syria using Jihadist (imagine that)..

    Morsi role at Syria rally seen as tipping point for Egypt army - The Irish Times - Tue, Jul 02, 2013
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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And I find it funny Egyptians cheering and suspending their constitution. ****ing idiots, imho.
    Heya AC. What I find amusing is how Western Media reports the News as Morsi Supporters are this or that. That Morsi and his supporters etc etc.

    While it may be true to use the term Supporters.....it is quite deceptive. As those that support Morsi are in fact the Muslim Brotherhood. Notice it doesn't say Egyptian Brotherhood.

    So now is the time to keep taking it to them. The Egyptian Military has arrested more than 40 of them. This morning most of its leaders in Egypt are sitting in the same Prison they sent Mubarak to. Again hunt them all down, leave no stone unturned.....as affecting their entire Operation will also have a decimating effect upon AQ.

    There will only be a minority of Egyptians that will have something to say once the MB is no more. There is no need to hold Court for the Terrorist Organization nor its members.

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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Whoosh! Right over your partisan head.

    If Romney were president he'd invade and spend another $3T alienating half the world.
    This is funny! You cry “partisan foul" because you don’t agree with someone’s perspective on the historical facts and then follow up with your own partisan Argumentum Ad Speculum? How rich and entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    re: Egypt army commander suspends constitution[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Egypt army commander suspends constitution

    CAIRO (Reuters) - The head of Egypt's armed forces issued a declaration on Wednesday suspending the constitution and appointing the head of the constitutional court as interim head of state.

    In a televised broadcast, flanked by military leaders, religious authorities and political figures, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi effectively declared the removal of elected Islamist President Mohamed Mursi.


    What happens now in the Egypt?
    The Tamarod movement, which was only ever united around opposition to Morsi, will begin to fracture under the pressure of elections.

    Egypt's economic problems will continue to worsen, perhaps temporarily alleviated if they are able to secure that $4.8 Bn from the IMF, but only temporarily. The long term solution has to be removal of the military from the economy, which is unlikely to happen, given that the military effectively refuses to acknowledge the right of civilian government to exercise authority over it.

    Egypt's judges and military will effectively fill the void, ruling Egypt in the absence of a strong and functioning representative government. Just as they did under Mubarak. Both will insist that the provision of civil services is the duty of that government, however, which allows them to place the blame for Egypt's continuing problems on her sclerotic "state", perhaps nominally headed by ElBaradei.

    If they try to push the MB out of the political process, the MB will go back to being an effective opposition to the government (which it has had many years to get good at). If they try to incorporate the MB into the political process, they will find that its superior cohesion makes it once again powerful relative to the other parties, and they shall be back where they started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    but bit bit Baracky is so smart he is hinting he is going to withhold US money from the moderate secular military if they do not return power to the radical Islamist,,,,,real "merican leadership right there.

    Here is a clue--this and Syria are when Obama voting "present" would actually be the right thing to do. He has lots of practice so it shouldn't be hard for him.
    See that's the thing about a radical leftist President who had a radical left administration the first four years and nothing is going to change his second four years. He gave I think about a billion to a country being run by a terrorist supporter and now when the country regains it's senses and removes him, our radical leftist doesn't want to give them money. Even though the guy they removed was backing terrorist in Syria. And lets not forget the complete brain dead move made against Libya where our same leftist President directly armed some of our enemies. And the spill over problems that has caused. All to overthrow a leader who was doing what the west asked of him. In his defense he had to have had additional brain dead help on the Libya move. Sec Clinton had to be in on that from the start as well.

    Yes siree Bob, the rest of the world is finally waking up as to what kind of bumbling numbskull our President is but here at home the same clowns that supported him to begin with still refuse to quit practicing insanity.

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