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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I was of the understanding Obama was supposed to have the world love us again.
    Not so much in Egypt

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If everybody loves you, you're not doing something right.
    Many still appear to love Obama, though there are always fewer who respect him.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Well.....looks like some of the crisis is being solved.

    Muslim Brotherhood supporters face murder, terrorism probe: state media.....

    Egyptian prosecutors have placed 250 Muslim Brotherhood supporters under investigation for murder, attempted murder and terrorism, the state MENA news agency said on Saturday.

    Police arrested more than 1,000 Brotherhood sympathizers in the wake of clashes on Friday that pitted followers of deposed Islamist President Mohamed Mursi against the security forces.....snip~

    Muslim Brotherhood supporters face murder, terrorism probe: state media

    The sympathizers.....wonder how many of them are AQ or AQ likes, huh? Egypt needs to impose the ban on them again. But this time rather than let them stick around and continue to grow. They need to shut them down completely. Including all those sympathizers that needs some tissues for those issues.

    None should have any sympathy for these guys.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....looks like some of the crisis is being solved.

    Muslim Brotherhood supporters face murder, terrorism probe: state media.....

    Egyptian prosecutors have placed 250 Muslim Brotherhood supporters under investigation for murder, attempted murder and terrorism, the state MENA news agency said on Saturday.

    Police arrested more than 1,000 Brotherhood sympathizers in the wake of clashes on Friday that pitted followers of deposed Islamist President Mohamed Mursi against the security forces.....snip~

    Muslim Brotherhood supporters face murder, terrorism probe: state media

    The sympathizers.....wonder how many of them are AQ or AQ likes, huh? Egypt needs to impose the ban on them again. But this time rather than let them stick around and continue to grow. They need to shut them down completely. Including all those sympathizers that needs some tissues for those issues.

    None should have any sympathy for these guys.
    Perhaps 'the moderates' we've heard so much about are finally making their voices heard. With some luck perhaps Egypt can find another Atatürk who will do for Egypt what Ataturk did for Turkey. Turkey is also discovering that once democracy is gained it must also be strictly maintained.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Just a few quick thoughts...

    First, I believe the ongoing events in Egypt are a function of domestic rivalries (largest driver) and foreign response, including what has been a consistently reactive U.S. policy approach (small driver, but probably one that has made a marginal difference in the calculations of the parties).

    Second, in my view, the U.S. should be very careful to understand that Egypt is a strategic state. As such, it should avoid hasty or emotion-driven policy responses. Such responses could actually backfire leading to greater rigidity among the parties (a transitional government fearing it must act more quickly and decisively and the Muslim Brotherhood's expecting U.S. policy to shift in its direction).

    Third, the immediate policy focus should be on getting Egypt's government to work toward the goal of a stable permanent government. Parties willing to participate should be able to join in the process. Those unwilling to participate should not be compelled to participate, but the door should be open for their inclusion down the road once they are ready. The principles for a permanent government that should be enshrined in a future constitution should be inclusive, but with appropriate safeguards to protect the rights of all of Egypt's people.

    Fourth, the U.S. should be working more, not less, with Egypt's military in developing appropriate rules of engagement for dealing with protests and violence so that civilian lives would be protected and bloody outcomes related to clearing protests could be avoided.

    Fifth, the seemingly favored tactic of seeking a coaliton government should be avoided. The differences among the parties to the conflict are too large to allow for a stable and effective coalition government.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Just a few quick thoughts...

    First, I believe the ongoing events in Egypt are a function of domestic rivalries (largest driver) and foreign response, including what has been a consistently reactive U.S. policy approach (small driver, but probably one that has made a marginal difference in the calculations of the parties).

    Second, in my view, the U.S. should be very careful to understand that Egypt is a strategic state. As such, it should avoid hasty or emotion-driven policy responses. Such responses could actually backfire leading to greater rigidity among the parties (a transitional government fearing it must act more quickly and decisively and the Muslim Brotherhood's expecting U.S. policy to shift in its direction).

    Third, the immediate policy focus should be on getting Egypt's government to work toward the goal of a stable permanent government. Parties willing to participate should be able to join in the process. Those unwilling to participate should not be compelled to participate, but the door should be open for their inclusion down the road once they are ready. The principles for a permanent government that should be enshrined in a future constitution should be inclusive, but with appropriate safeguards to protect the rights of all of Egypt's people.

    Fourth, the U.S. should be working more, not less, with Egypt's military in developing appropriate rules of engagement for dealing with protests and violence so that civilian lives would be protected and bloody outcomes related to clearing protests could be avoided.

    Fifth, the seemingly favored tactic of seeking a coaliton government should be avoided. The differences among the parties to the conflict are too large to allow for a stable and effective coalition government.
    Heya DS.....that all can take place. Once the MB is kaput and their Sunni Clerics are silenced.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Just a few quick thoughts...

    First, I believe the ongoing events in Egypt are a function of domestic rivalries (largest driver) and foreign response, including what has been a consistently reactive U.S. policy approach (small driver, but probably one that has made a marginal difference in the calculations of the parties).

    Second, in my view, the U.S. should be very careful to understand that Egypt is a strategic state. As such, it should avoid hasty or emotion-driven policy responses. Such responses could actually backfire leading to greater rigidity among the parties (a transitional government fearing it must act more quickly and decisively and the Muslim Brotherhood's expecting U.S. policy to shift in its direction).

    Third, the immediate policy focus should be on getting Egypt's government to work toward the goal of a stable permanent government. Parties willing to participate should be able to join in the process. Those unwilling to participate should not be compelled to participate, but the door should be open for their inclusion down the road once they are ready. The principles for a permanent government that should be enshrined in a future constitution should be inclusive, but with appropriate safeguards to protect the rights of all of Egypt's people.

    Fourth, the U.S. should be working more, not less, with Egypt's military in developing appropriate rules of engagement for dealing with protests and violence so that civilian lives would be protected and bloody outcomes related to clearing protests could be avoided.

    Fifth, the seemingly favored tactic of seeking a coaliton government should be avoided. The differences among the parties to the conflict are too large to allow for a stable and effective coalition government.
    It seems none of the participants involved have much interest in what the US has to say.

    Egypt ignores Washington after U.S. policy missteps - Washington Post

    The reputation of the US has been greatly diminished and it will take a strong leader to restore America's credibility in the world, if that is what the American people genuinely want.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    The US supported these overthrows of Arab leaders for faux democracy starting with Saddam, which has turned out to be a destructive process for their infrastructures and stability. The people thought all their problems and poverty would disappear, instead of getting worse. We may not have liked the leaders of these countries but at least they kept the mobs at bay, now all they have is discombobulation and a larger footprint for extremist organizations to set up bases and recruit.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    More bad news for the Muslim Brotherhood. Bad news for Team Obama and the Neo Cons too. The Saudis are siding with the Egyptian Military. To follow, will be Kuwait and the UAE. Now does it seem like Obama's remarks were sticking up for the Egyptian military? The rest of the Sunni and other Arabs. They think a Stable Egypt is better than an Egypt ran by the MB.

    Saudi prince fires celebrity TV preacher for Brotherhood links.....




    Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has fired a renowned Kuwaiti preacher and motivational speaker from the top job at the religious television channel he owns for what he described as "extremist inclinations" and links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Saudi Arabia has come out strongly in support of an army crackdown on the Brotherhood in Egypt following the military overthrow of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi last month. The Brotherhood's rise had unsettled Gulf Arab states which feared it would embolden Islamists at home.

    The prince said Tareq al-Suwaidan, who has more than 1.9 million Twitter followers and is known across the Arab world for his lectures on self-improvement from an Islamic perspective, had identified himself as "one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood" during a lecture in Yemen.

    "There is no place for those who carry any deviant thoughts at Al Resalah Channel," Alwaleed wrote in a letter to Suwaidan, according to a news release from the prince's office.

    Prince Alwaleed's uncle, King Abdullah, on Friday called on Arabs to stand together against "attempts to destabilize" Egypt, in a message of support for the military leadership.....snip~

    Saudi prince fires celebrity TV preacher for Brotherhood links
    Reuters – 5 hrs ago <<<<< more here.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    More bad news for the Muslim Brotherhood. Bad news for Team Obama and the Neo Cons too. The Saudis are siding with the Egyptian Military. To follow, will be Kuwait and the UAE. Now does it seem like Obama's remarks were sticking up for the Egyptian military? The rest of the Sunni and other Arabs. They think a Stable Egypt is better than an Egypt ran by the MB.

    Saudi prince fires celebrity TV preacher for Brotherhood links.....




    Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has fired a renowned Kuwaiti preacher and motivational speaker from the top job at the religious television channel he owns for what he described as "extremist inclinations" and links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Saudi Arabia has come out strongly in support of an army crackdown on the Brotherhood in Egypt following the military overthrow of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi last month. The Brotherhood's rise had unsettled Gulf Arab states which feared it would embolden Islamists at home.

    The prince said Tareq al-Suwaidan, who has more than 1.9 million Twitter followers and is known across the Arab world for his lectures on self-improvement from an Islamic perspective, had identified himself as "one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood" during a lecture in Yemen.

    "There is no place for those who carry any deviant thoughts at Al Resalah Channel," Alwaleed wrote in a letter to Suwaidan, according to a news release from the prince's office.

    Prince Alwaleed's uncle, King Abdullah, on Friday called on Arabs to stand together against "attempts to destabilize" Egypt, in a message of support for the military leadership.....snip~

    Saudi prince fires celebrity TV preacher for Brotherhood links
    Reuters – 5 hrs ago <<<<< more here.
    That is good news, MMC. First you get rid of the really, really bad guys and then, when the dust has settled, you deal with the run of the mill bad guys. Bad guys who have their sinecures threatened, as in SA, will have to rise up against the crazy religious fanatics or their own power will be threatened. This they appear to be doing. In 30 years or less this may be recognized as a critical turning point.

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