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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You forget that the difference between the US right and Morsi are very small. Both believe in many of the same things and act in the same way. Hence Morsi was a hero to the radical religious right in the US, because he did what they have not (as of yet) been able to do.. push a religious based government through favoring themselves and putting other religions and sects within their own at a massive disadvantage.
    It's nice how every once in a while, you demonstrate that when you comment on the United States, you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I think you need to live in the Middle East for a few years before lecturing us on how the rule of law has been violated because the people of a nation recognized an Islamist authoritarian government/president was about to cast them into the dark ages if they didn't do something about it.
    1. Actually I spent about a little over a year in the M.E.
    2. "A Nation" didn't recognize and do anything. A mob and military commanders did something. The nation held an election. A mob torched a building and launched a protest and a military decided to take advantage of the fact that it has the ability to engage in much deadlier violence than anyone else to seize political power.

    You don't get to toss out elections just because you don't like the results and still claim to be supporting legitimate representative government. In representative governments, "legitimacy" is conferred by elections, not by mobs and not by the military.

    I'm confused by your position. Are you really an advocate for authoritarian governments?
    Nope. I am an advocate for Constitutional Republics with limited governments who follow the rule of law and are staffed based on popular representation.

    You have said that Obama is authoritarian. I tend to agree - that is his tendency. That fact plus the Tea Party protests would not have legitimized the Marine Corps launching a coup and declaring themselves the selector of American political leadership.


    What happened in Egypt isn't reminiscent of the American revolution, but the French one. Not freedom, but the tyranny and violence of the mob.



    But here's a fun couple of questions for you to ponder:

    1. Who is really in charge of Egypt right now?

    A: The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces.
    B: El Baradi, who apparently is the spokesman of the Tamarod movement, but who appears to be exercising zero power.
    C: The pupped that the SCAF just finished installing as interem president, and whom it can remove at will.


    If you chose B or C:

    2. Would you like to purchase a view of The Bridge? If you will simply message me with your credit card account and personal identification information, for the low, low, price of only $1,000 I can get you some beautiful waterfront property in San Fransisco.

    If, however, you chose (A)...

    2. Which do Military's tend to be?

    A: Authoritarian.
    B: Freedom loving hippies who wouldn't want to impose on anyone.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    There was no coup in the traditional sense. Morsi is alive and free, for now. The military turned over power to the Constitutional Court.


    The announcement was made with support from the civilian opposition standing on the stage...
    Dude, have you even been paying attention?

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's nice how every once in a while, you demonstrate that when you comment on the United States, you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about
    So you deny that the religious right and the GOP are not against homosexuals and their rights, against abortion and for limiting womens rights? You deny that the religious right (read evangelicals) have called other Christian sects as "not Christian" and have talked hatefully against other religions? You deny that the GOP has a history of targeting minorities? Do you deny that the GOP has a history of massive nepotism despite claiming to fight it?

    All these are what Morsi believes and has done.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Nope. Here in the U.S. the military is subordinate to civilian authority - and as a military we value that.
    Hardly. As long as the military gets it billions and are allowed to attack other nations, then they wont do anything, but as soon as that is threatened then watch them.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    lol!!! This is rich. Do you really stay awake at night worrying that the US will become a radically religious nation? Really?? Oh,
    I don’t think the ‘religious right” in the USA were supporting Morsi. Another dream on your part.
    Openly supporting? no of course not, no Christian radical could ever support a Muslim.. or a Jew for that matter and actually mean it or survive politically.

    But as in "Support" of his policies and views? They are basically carbon copies on many areas.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hardly. As long as the military gets it billions and are allowed to attack other nations, then they wont do anything, but as soon as that is threatened then watch them.



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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Morsi is no jewel. But the real loser today is not Morsi, it's representative government and the rule of law.
    This is where we greatly differ, the rule of law is the people, as it is the people that make the laws and it's those same people that can change the laws. And to think the people of Egypt are to surrender to a dictator because he was elected in good faith, yet the people find the person they elected was a sham. They have every right to oust his ass.

    Look, whoever is going to take over after this will be no better able to fix Egypt's problems. They are unlikely to be able to wrest control of the economy from a now-empowered military to turn it around and provide a decent (or, at least, improving) standard of living to the Egyptian people, and they will see their numbers do the same that Morsi did. Except that now we have just established that the way to respond to no longer liking the people in charge is not to form opposition parties, develop well-thought out platforms, and contend with them for the approval of the people in the electoral process. It is instead to set buildings on fire and kill people. You think we won't see an attempted repeat of this?
    First you say "they are unlikely to be able to wrest control of the economy from a now-empowered military, clue, under Morsi they didn't have an economy. So it sure as hell can't get any worse. I admire the the people for Egypt for trying to make it better. Under Morsi it was totally unacceptable and the people have every right to change it.

    Another item you are missing, under Morsi there would be no more elections. Yeah, Morsi makes his own laws and so now you expect the people to bow to his new laws.

    And maybe post up all those buildings burning and people killed. Remember we had our own civil war and how many people died in that war.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you deny that the religious right and the GOP are not against homosexuals and their rights, against abortion and for limiting womens rights? You deny that the religious right (read evangelicals) have called other Christian sects as "not Christian" and have talked hatefully against other religions? You deny that the GOP has a history of targeting minorities? Do you deny that the GOP has a history of massive nepotism despite claiming to fight it?

    All these are what Morsi believes and has done.
    And who was the founders of the KKK.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Precisely. Just as Bush was an unpopular legitimate leader in 2006-2008. In neither case does the presence of low approval numbers plus an active and large protest movement justify a military coup.
    But the US has had 240 years od Democracy with many bumps along the way, including a Civil War, and now it appears that the DOJ may have been working with the IRS and FBI. Democracy is a messy business, for sure, and it seems to me that the people were right to fight the problems they face against the Muslim Brotherhood before they became entrenched as precedence. They are, as Barney Fife might say, nipping it in the bud.

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