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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    There is a thing called "buyers remorse" in this case they now find they voted in the wrong guy. Presidents, leaders, dictators etc are ousted, impeached all the time. I don't care if Morsi is the legitimate constitutional choice, that does not mean he can drive the country into the black hole of destruction.
    Um. Your location says "sunny and nice", but, exactly what country are you in, again? Of course Morsi and the MB can prove inadequate to the task of turning around Egypt's state-driven rentier economy. It is probably beyond the abilities of any actor to do so. Ironically, the MB was probably actually their best bet (and a crappy bet it was, too).

    This is exactly what the people have witnessed and are experiencing, thus they "the people" have every right to kick his ass out.
    They sure do. If that is allowed for in their Constitution. But most Constitutions are pretty silent on the right to depose a President through the ritual of breaking things and burning buildings.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    "Freedom is messy." ~ Donald Rumsfeld.

    And getting messier.
    Yup. I would like to give myself a big pat on the back for roughly predicting this two years ago. However, I would like to admit (full disclosure) that this happened much quicker than I had predicted, which may negate some of its' broader assessed effects.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Like him or not, Morsi won in a legitimate election, and was the legitimate constitutional choice of the Egyptian people. Mobs in the street do not have a natural right to overthrown the legally expressed will of the Egyptian populace.
    Look, I don't like Morsi, I was one of the first to say that the MB would take over and it would go badly. But what we have just established is a new standard - if you can get enough people in the streets and destroy the right amount of property, you can overturn an election and overthrow the government you don't like. We just gave everyone who can bring a mob to bear in Cairo a veto over governance.

    what Morsi lacks now is the level of popularity he previously enjoyed. That is not the same as "legitimacy". Millions marched against President Obama, too. That doesn't make him not the rightful president of the U.S.

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    In political science, legitimacy is the popular acceptance of an authority, usually a governing law or a régime.
    The majority of people no longer accept his authority, he is not legitimate, he's not just unpopular, if people no longer accept him as a leader and he refuses to comply with their demands he's pretty much a dictator.

    Obama is the legitimate leader because the majority of people accept him as their legitimate leader regardless of how much they like or dislike him.

    Mursi promised before getting elected that if there comes a time when the people in Egypt would rise up against him as they did Mubarak he would step down and he would not let people die, and now he's basically going to start war in order to hang on to his position.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yup. I would like to give myself a big pat on the back for roughly predicting this two years ago. However, I would like to admit (full disclosure) that this happened much quicker than I had predicted, which may negate some of its' broader assessed effects.
    So do you have any amended predictions?

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So do you have any amended predictions?
    well... I do. But not for here. I would just redirect you to the Stratfor guys, who I think generally are on top of things.

    For short term stuff.

    For longer term stuff?

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    Iran will return to her traditional area of influence. Turkey is the player to watch, methinks.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Thanks for the Stratfor tip. I'll look.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    The majority of people no longer accept his authority, he is not legitimate, he's not just unpopular, if people no longer accept him as a leader and he refuses to comply with their demands he's pretty much a dictator.
    We know that he is unpopular. We know that millions have marched against him. The same could easily be said of our own president. Is he illegitimate? No.

    In a representative government, legitimacy is conferred by elections. Not mobs in the street. Not military coups. Free and Fair elections, one of which propelled Morsi into power. You don't have to like the result to recognize the superiority of the model to available alternatives.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We know that he is unpopular. We know that millions have marched against him. The same could easily be said of our own president. Is he illegitimate?
    No he is just an unpopular legitimate leader, you are no Obama supporter yet you recognize him as your leader, no? so does the majority of Americans I presume.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well... I do. But not for here. I would just redirect you to the Stratfor guys, who I think generally are on top of things.
    Stratfor | Geopolitical intelligence, economic, political, and military strategic forecasting

    Nice website. I will need to spend some time there in the coming days.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I was of the understanding Obama was supposed to have the world love us again. Not so much in Egypt

    Doug Ross @ Journal: 15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You'll Never See In Legacy Media. #Egypt #Morsi #Obama
    The Egyptians get it even if the Democrats don't.

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