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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    From your own link.

    Any government employees that observe that Islamic terrorists themselves wrap themselves in the mantle of doctrinal Islam will quickly find themselves without a job. And when members of Congress have confronted senior administration officials as to whether elements of radical Islam have declared war on the US., those officials have angrily protested that Congress merely asking such questions puts them in a league with al Qaeda.....snip~

    Seems we tend to listen.....IMO to much to what those in the ME have to say. Time to start doing the Right thing. Which is when they go to speak. Interrupt them and then, tell them to STFU!

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Your third and fifth seem somewhat mutually exclusive. The MB and those that wish to have a Muslim only gov't (and laws) are the majority and had elected Morsi. The idea of a constitution that trumps what the MB want will never fly with them.
    No. I'm saying that the pursuit of a coalition government that includes the Muslim Brotherhood should be avoided. If the Muslim Brotherhood is willing, that's one thing. If not, the U.S. should not bind its policy toward an unrealistic goal. The more practical goal of a broader government of willing participants should be the aim. A stable government should be the overriding short-term goal. The longer-term goal could be some form of representative government with the details to be determined by Egyptians, not dictates from abroad.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    No. I'm saying that the pursuit of a coalition government that includes the Muslim Brotherhood should be avoided. If the Muslim Brotherhood is willing, that's one thing. If not, the U.S. should not bind its policy toward an unrealistic goal. The more practical goal of a broader government of willing participants should be the aim. A stable government should be the overriding short-term goal. The longer-term goal could be some form of representative government with the details to be determined by Egyptians, not dictates from abroad.
    So the Egytian military, funded by the US, defines who it is willing to participate with and installs them as the "civilian" gov't of Egypt? Seems like that is exactly what we had before Morsi and "democracy" in Egypt.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So the Egytian military, funded by the US, defines who it is willing to participate with and installs them as the "civilian" gov't of Egypt? Seems like that is exactly what we had before Morsi and "democracy" in Egypt.
    All political factions should be invited to participate in a transitional political process aimed at creating a stable government and later more broadly representative government. Those that are willing to do so should be able to participate. Those that are not should not preclude such a political process. That the Muslim Brotherhood maintains unreasonable and unrealistic aims of returning Morsi to power and would very likely reject such an arrangement is its problem. Neither it nor any other political faction should have an effective veto over an urgently needed political process.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    All political factions should be invited to participate in a transitional political process aimed at creating a stable government and later more broadly representative government. Those that are willing to do so should be able to participate. Those that are not should not preclude such a political process. That the Muslim Brotherhood maintains unreasonable and unrealistic aims of returning Morsi to power and would very likely reject such an arrangement is its problem. Neither it nor any other political faction should have an effective veto over an urgently needed political process.
    It still seems to me that whatever the Egyptian military wants is, by definition, the "acceptable" political process and any objections to that will be met with military (now called "security") forces.
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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    All political factions should be invited to participate in a transitional political process aimed at creating a stable government and later more broadly representative government. Those that are willing to do so should be able to participate. Those that are not should not preclude such a political process. That the Muslim Brotherhood maintains unreasonable and unrealistic aims of returning Morsi to power and would very likely reject such an arrangement is its problem. Neither it nor any other political faction should have an effective veto over an urgently needed political process.
    Heya DS.....you got that Right. The MB has proven why.....they cannot be included in any process. They are nothing more than Terrorists that need to be hunted down and sent on to meet their maker. Forthwith!

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It still seems to me that whatever the Egyptian military wants is, by definition, the "acceptable" political process and any objections to that will be met with military (now called "security") forces.
    It's difficult to ever side with a military takeover but this is one of the exceptions.

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's difficult to ever side with a military takeover but this is one of the exceptions.
    Mornin Grant. More bad news for the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Syrian government backs decision to oust Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.....

    Syria’s embattled government applauded Egypt’s security forces for their crackdown against the Muslim Brotherhood, saying Damascus wanted to restore diplomatic ties cut by Egypt’s former Islamist regime.

    Speaking about the situation in Egypt, Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad condemned the Muslim Brotherhood and ousted former President Mohamed Morsi, saying “the Brotherhood never believed in democracy. Everybody knows this

    We believe that the tens of millions who came out on June 30 to denounce the Muslim Brotherhood reflect the real intentions and the real aspirations of the Egyptian people,” Mekdad said in an interview with Stars and Stripes.

    He praised the Egyptian military for moving against the Muslim Brotherhood, saying it was forced to act “against these fanatics ... who under the presidency of Morsi tried to control all aspects of life in Egypt.”

    The burning of churches across Egypt that followed the bloodshed of recent days reflected what is happening in Syria, Mekdad said, where armed jihadists are increasingly targeting the country’s Christian minority, which makes up about 10 percent of Syria’s 23 million people.

    “Our main concern is to restore relations that existed between Egypt and Syria,” he said. “Once Egypt and Syria are in the leading seat, stability and prosperity will return to the (Middle East).”.....snip~

    Syrian government backs decision to oust Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood - Middle East - Stripes

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Crisis in Egypt: Morsi and General Al-Sisi vow death

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Heya Higgins. Yeah it was the MB and those connected to Morsi's clan.....despite articles saying Militants.

    We have it up here too.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/africa...hurches-3.html

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