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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Race is protected under the Constitution. The Federal Constitution is the highest dictator of rights. As is it today the Constitution doesn't demand that it's a violation of rights and liberties for a state to uphold the traditional definition of marriage. The ban on my state on SSM is still as legal and valid as it was before the ruling. It's also not a logical comparison to compare race issues in the South to SSM.

    We can declare anything a liberty. I could say that my liberties are infringed upon in states that won't let me get marriage in an incest relationship. But unless the Constitution says so then legally that liberty is subject to the legal bodies deciding that and isn't something I'm entitled to.
    Care to cite just where that "race protection" is in our constitution?
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Because it isn't marriage.
    false it is 100% legal marriage
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Freedom and liberty would be infringed upon to say that people cannot vote on a legal social issue and have their voices heard. The default definition of marriage in the US is traditional marriage. This gets changed in states that want it changed. The "liberty and freedom" from the extent of marriage goes is that you are at liberty and free to marry anyone of the opposite gender that is of age. This is the minimum and can be expanded by including "anyone of any gender."

    The court doesn't set policy, they make rulings according to the Constitution. According to DOMA it violates the ability of states that legalize SSM to allow those legally wed couples to receive federal benefits. DOMA went beyond what the fed should do in trying to enforce or change marriage policy, it trampled on the states. This doesn't change the fact that in a majority of states same sex unions are not recognized as a marriage.
    Like the Court striking down marriage restrictions based on race, being behind on child support payments, and being an inmate? Why were these okay but not restrictions based on sex/gender? They are all restrictions on entering into marriage. Voted on by the people or their representatives.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what the hell? lol
    yes you are right thats exactly what i just said
    this is why your post so often fail
    So you aren't going to answer me.....
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    accept he applied it to you and your obvious broken logic, you still cant even see how absurd and inane your claim was and thats halarious
    It wasn't a claim, it was an example, one which you have yet to respond your position to.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) its exactly what you posted, disagree choose your words better
    2.) didnt do this, i took your words for their face value, be more clear next time
    3.) sure seemed that way by your words
    4.) no matter how many times you repeat every time you call it a fact its 100% wrong, if you disagree back up your statment lol you made it prove its a fact its only a social issues, court cases already disagree with you
    5.) yes i do because you factually are, see the court cases that deemed it so, its not my opinion its what some courts have decided and its why you are wrong when you call it a fact, it makes it easy
    6.) well you would be wrong because that hasnt been pushed in many courts yet and when it was it was ruled that it violated equality
    7.) and that is meaningless to anything being discussed unless you are trying to claim your state heard this exact issue in its supreme court and ruled that its a social issue and the state can discriminate.
    8.) yes correct another thing that doesnt matter to what we are discussion
    9.) by what standards? your opinion it doesnt happen much lol
    10.) really? weird only ONE of us has called something a fact that isnt and it wasnt me

    speak more clear next time and this wont happen, giving examples of discrimination you dont think happens and saying they have done a good job inventing their issues certainly implies you think it doesnt really happen much.

    Fact: most states ban SSM, these bans are legal and haven't changed (with one exception, California where existing same sex unions would be nullified).
    Fact: I have backed up my statements, I have pointed to the SSM bans in other states and the legality of DOMA when concerning a state's right to redefine marriage to include SSM.
    Here is the fact: the chart is old because Cali is likely to become a SSM approving state, but this is what is factually correct concerning marriage in the states.


    Stop throwing around the word "fact." It doesn't make you magically right. Also, recognize where your opinions are exactly that, opinions. It's your opinion that SSM is an equal rights issue or somehow on par with racial discrimination. That's not a fact, that's your opinion and your view.
    Last edited by digsbe; 07-02-13 at 11:46 AM.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    So you aren't going to answer me.....
    theres nothign to answer
    what is your question?
    you made a meaningless statment that had nothign to do with anything

    what you are claiming is false and had no barring on what i said its somethign you made up in your head. go back reread my post and you will see how yours doesnt apply in any logical sense what so ever this is why other posters even pointed this out, thats why its apples and oranges. try to keep up
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It wasn't a claim, it was an example, one which you have yet to respond your position to.
    a failed example pointed out to you by me and other posters
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    a failed example pointed out to you by me and other posters
    You still have yet to answer.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Like the Court striking down marriage restrictions based on race, being behind on child support payments, and being an inmate? Why were these okay but not restrictions based on sex/gender? They are all restrictions on entering into marriage. Voted on by the people or their representatives.
    Yes, those were restrictions on entering marriage. None of them were a fundamental conflict with the very definition of marriage, though, so they were just restrictions. Trying to say that the definition of marriage as one man and one woman is a "restriction" against same sex couples is like saying that quacking and having webbed feet is a restriction against chickens from being ducks.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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