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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So how does it affect you?
    For one, any tax benefits would affect my tax dollars and they way my government does business.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The courts did not reverse the bans in states that have legal traditional marriage. Largely the courts did agree with me, I wanted DOMA struck down because it prevented federal marriage benefits from states that legalize SSM. I have supported that SSM is a state issue and that it's appropriate either way to redefine marriage to include SSM or to uphold the traditional definition of marriage and not recognize same sex relationships.
    I agree with you that this is an issue of states' rights and the state should have the right to define marriage as it sees fit. Marriage is a product of the state instead of a right. If it was a right, no one would have to pay the state and buy a license before getting married.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    1.)You aren't addressing my arguments, your chopping things up into points, putting arguments and words into my mouth that I never said and then arguing that. If anything I think you may be trying to deflect with your posts what I'm actually arguing and not addressing that.

    1.)I have addressed court concerns, and it appears that the courts uphold that it's a state issue.
    3.) I bring up examples to show that a state doesn't have to recognize all the laws and legal recognition that another state may have.
    4.) The state is sovereign in regards to their laws, and when in that state you are under that state's laws.
    5.) Pot may be legal somewhere and illegal somewhere else, being legal in 1 place doesn't allow someone from that state to bring it wherever they want. Being licensed in a state doesn't mean that other states have to recognize your license. A physician could have their license somewhere, know how to practice medicine, but then have a lawsuit if they go to another state and do so without a license in that state. What the other state does is irrelevant.
    6.)Some states ban SSM, others go strongly (Like LA's state Constitutional Amendment) that says they will not recognize any union performed anywhere else that does not fit within LA's definition of marriage. The people of a state may approve of SSM, but they do not have the sovereignty to force every other state in the nation to recognize their laws and marital definitions and force other states to violate their own laws to accommodate for couples that are not legally wed.
    1.) well you would be wrong again, ive deflected NOTHING you said not one thing, only given you examples of why your argument isnt supported.
    2.) and has you were told this is false when actually hearing that issue courts ruled it violated equality so you didnt address them
    3.) your examples majorly failed because they dont even come close to applying to marriage, rights and equality violations.
    yes states have some rights nobody is denying that lol
    4.) yes again another thing nobody is arguing its not a black and white issue like you are so desperate to make it. Can a state keep all women out? no.
    5.) pot example was already destroyed and showed to be inane and not a parallel, same with physician etc
    6.) and this is the part that is falling and when has been pushed to the courts was ruled to violate equality.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    For one, any tax benefits would affect my tax dollars and they way my government does business.
    O so we should get rid of all tax benefits for marriage then, that will reduce the cost of benefits.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    So if the courts suddenly ruled one day that murder was ok you would agree that that makes murder ok? Obviously it would be law, but would the courts be right? That is essentially what you just argued.
    what the hell? lol
    yes you are right thats exactly what i just said
    this is why your post so often fail
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    The problem was that it forces states to use another state's level of strict scrutiny when recognizing SSM, so in all, it is an end run around states' rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    What the court effectively did with the DOMA ruling was to basically leave it up to the states. They ruled that the federal government could not dictate the terms of marriage to the states. Supporters of SSM hailed this ruling as a victory because it effectively nullified DOMA but, more accurately, it was a victory for states rights.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    O so we should get rid of all tax benefits for marriage then, that will reduce the cost of benefits.
    It may come to that to disentangle the fed from marriage.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    ding ding ding ding

    that was some of the best example of broken logic i have ever seens
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It's not apples and oranges, though I do like your graphic. It is a perfect example to refute what he is saying.
    accept he applied it to you and your obvious broken logic, you still cant even see how absurd and inane your claim was and thats halarious
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    O so we should get rid of all tax benefits for marriage then, that will reduce the cost of benefits.
    I can't say I would be against that. The government should have never gotten involved with marriage.
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