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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Get between a progressive and his agenda and he'll make you out to be a hater. They get this from their overly permissive mommies because when they were little spoiled brats, they used to throw tantrums in the grocery store because mommy didn't give them a candy bar. Mommy gave in and that was that. Spoiled brat tantrum has been their go-to tactic every time when they don't get their way.



    Kind of like the far right evangelicals on ssm, eh?

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Serious. If you are going to try to debate prop 8 you need to bring yourself up to speed. The pro-prop H8 campagin was based on a number of lies and other propoganda, mainly claiming that churches would be forced to marry gay people and school children would be required to attend gay weddings. Propoganda has proved to be effective, but nevertheless....it is always based on lies. Lying in the name of God is still lying...agree?
    So you're suggesting your kind here in California are easily swayed by propoganda?

    Now that is one of the few things I've seen written from you that smacks as being rational and true.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you're suggesting your kind here in California are easily swayed by propoganda?

    Now that is one of the few things I've seen written from you that smacks as being rational and true.
    Its not just California. Propoganda has been proven to be effective throughout the course of history. Why do you think aht propoganda is used so much during times of war?
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You would have to read the other posts. Funding doesn't matter...but he was asking what the Mormons had to do with Prop 8.
    I did read it the whole thread, and I understand perfectly what transpired in the context of this point. You were the first to bring up the Mormons were behind it as if to tacitly imply that religious fanatics were involved and lied about their position on the matter, and that apparently people are unable themselves to form their own opinion due to the undue influence of the church. Your entire point was meant as a pejorative however cleverly designed. Now that you've admitted that funding really doesn't matter, can we now move on from your thinly veiled attacks on the religious convictions of the people?


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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ok, well opinion pieces aside, what facts about gay marriage sway opinion one way or the other?
    Right. Opinion pieces and academic studies aside...

    I just posted a link about this, but broadly speaking the two biggest lies that informed the prop 8 debate were that homosexuality would be taught to grade school kids and that churches would have to perform gay weddings or lose their tax exempt status if they didn't. There were ads taken out by conservative organizations perpetuating those lies, and yes, they had a significant impact on how people voted.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Sources?



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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not just California. Propoganda has been proven to be effective throughout the course of history. Why do you think aht propoganda is used so much during times of war?
    But of course. The Progressive Machine is most certainly the current master.

    What's interesting is that the spending by those against Prop 8 was far more than the spending by those in support of Prop 8. This fact gets lost in the the propoganda you're continuing to spread.

    Of couse, at this point the issue is moot. As it should be.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    More opinion pieces.. We're looking for your opinion on the subject matter, not others.
    The post to which I was responding was not looking for my opinion, so that's a pretty weird thing to bring up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well, instead of showing me why don't you point out the facts he cites? I didn't see any?
    Then you're not reading very closely. In any case, here's a more detailed overview:

    2: The Yes on 8 Ads That Worked - The Prop 8 Report

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Right. Opinion pieces and academic studies aside...

    I just posted a link about this, but broadly speaking the two biggest lies that informed the prop 8 debate were that homosexuality would be taught to grade school kids and that churches would have to perform gay weddings or lose their tax exempt status if they didn't. There were ads taken out by conservative organizations perpetuating those lies, and yes, they had a significant impact on how people voted.
    Homosexual normalcy IS being taught to grade school kids, and we can decide for ourselves whether that is a big deal or not, secondly, it is fully rational to extend to future consequences a time where freedom of religion will still be constitutional, BUT, in order to have exempt status, YOU (as in the church) will need to follow the law of the state via discrimination. It's an end around the constitution for organizations that oppose SSM, BUT still not completely out of the realm of possibility.


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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I did read it the whole thread, and I understand perfectly what transpired in the context of this point. You were the first to bring up the Mormons were behind it as if to tacitly imply that religious fanatics were involved and lied about their position on the matter, and that apparently people are unable themselves to form their own opinion due to the undue influence of the church. Your entire point was meant as a pejorative however cleverly designed. Now that you've admitted that funding really doesn't matter, can we now move on from your thinly veiled attacks on the religious convictions of the people?


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    Wrong. I have no issue with funding. What I have an issue with is complete and utter lies and deceit. The Mormon church should be ashamed of lies and fraud that they perpetrated during this campaign. Sorry...thats just the plain and simple fact.
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