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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Oh but it does, it does.

    Can you step beyond your claim, "Oh, but it does, it does." and explain how it does?
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    O so we should get rid of all tax benefits for marriage then, that will reduce the cost of benefits.
    Yes. There is no need for that.

    The feds, and the states, if they want to promote some pairing of individuals, should replace all paired benefits with a "designated benefactor" title. Then you are free to designate anyone/anything for that benefit.

    If they decide that those benefits are no longer needed, on a case by case review, then they can just drop those benefits.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm not looking for an answer, it's a rhetorical question, and the correct answer is that it doesn't affect you.

    Why would any adult be concerned about what 2 other consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home?

    That sounds kind of 'Peeping Tomish' to me.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Unless of course, marriage is one man and one woman. They do have equal protection under that law.
    Equal protection is not being able to marry someone you love and have spent your entire life with, while other's can? O ya that's equal protection under the law. Or in the SCOTUS case where a couple married in New York and are given the same protections as married couples in the state but when the Feds look at they only see two single people? That's equal protection?

    That one couple in New York has to pay one set of taxes and the other couple has to pay a different set of taxes? That's the very definition of unequal.

    Admit it, this argument is about your morale opinions on the subject.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Can you step beyond your claim, "Oh, but it does, it does." and explain how it does?
    Already have.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Equal protection is not being able to marry someone you love and have spent your entire life with, while other's can? O ya that's equal protection under the law. Or in the SCOTUS case where a couple married in New York and are given the same protections as married couples in the state but when the Feds look at they only see two single people? That's equal protection?

    That one couple in New York has to pay one set of taxes and the other couple has to pay a different set of taxes? That's the very definition of unequal.

    Admit it, this argument is about your morale opinions on the subject.
    Why are you so adamant on redefining marriage? You can't just change word meanings at will. It doesn't work that way. I believe in the sanctitiy of marriage, yes. Gays do not fit into that mold, yes. Doesn't mean you can redefine marriage and it be ok.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    1.)Why are you so adamant on redefining marriage?
    2.) You can't just change word meanings at will. It doesn't work that way.
    3.) I believe in the sanctitiy of marriage, yes.
    4.) Gays do not fit into that mold, yes.
    5.) Doesn't mean you can redefine marriage and it be ok.
    1.) its not factually being redefined i always laugh at this failed strawman
    2.) actually when it comes to a contract definition and parameters you can but the definition already exists so your point is moot.
    3.) the sanctity isnt chnaging, i always laugh at this strawman too
    4.) only your opinion
    5.) you be ok with it is meaningless to rights and freedoms and equality
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    5 Justices on the Supreme Court say that you are wrong. Good luck tilting that balance anytime soon.



    Not going to happen, no matter how much the religious right cries and screams.

    They will never put the genie back in the lamp. It is out for all time.




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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) its not factually being redefined i always laugh at this failed strawman
    2.) actually when it comes to a contract definition and parameters you can but the definition already exists so your point is moot.
    3.) the sanctity isnt chnaging, i always laugh at this strawman too
    4.) only your opinion
    5.) you be ok with it is meaningless to rights and freedoms and equality
    Your opinions.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Why are you so adamant on redefining marriage?
    Why are you so adamant in codifying your definition via the State.

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