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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    So how does gay marriage affect your life?
    he doesnt have a reality based answer that matters to rights, freedoms and equality, no one ever has as far as i recall
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I have answered this several times already, go through the thread.



    I'm not looking for an answer, it's a rhetorical question, and the correct answer is that it doesn't affect you.

    Why would any adult be concerned about what 2 other consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home?

    That sounds kind of 'Peeping Tomish' to me.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    this question was totally dodged earlier but is there anybody that is ok with this example or that thinks when these issues are pushed to the courts they will find it ok?

    for example im married to my wife in PA and we are granted all the state and federal rights.

    she is traveling in SC and gets in a car accident is it right for them not to notify me to make medical decisions if that state does recognize my marriage?
    what if she dies? can they just not tell me since they dont see us as married?
    of if i go there to i not have visitation rights since in that state we arent married?
    etc etc etc

    can she be forced to testify against me in that state?
    can she legally cheat in that state?
    Yeah, unless everybody decides to just not travel to (or through) another state ever again, this will happen. One day one of the above is going to occur and bam...lawsuit time.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Marriage is a concept. It is not a concrete. If you cannot interact with something, it is an abstract. This should have been a basic concept learned in school. A gas can can be touched, marriage cannot.

    If you put water in a gas can it is still a gas can. A gas can that cannot be used for gas without a major overhaul, but still a gas can.
    I didn't say that marriage is concrete. I said that it is a construct of black letter law. Just because "law" is abstract doesn't mean that it is whatever you want it to be. Legally, a "person" is a legal concept. So is "marriage". Both would have physical characteristics, though... for person, it would have to be human. For marriage, it would have to be a man and a woman. The legal definition may change but as long as the legal definition of person starts with "human" as it's foundation, your cocker spaniel can't be a person. And as long as marriage is defined as a man and a woman, your two best girlfriends can't be married to each other.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They actually said that in a ruling? Can you link to that please? I was under the impression that they punted on both issues.
    2. DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment. Pp. 13-26.


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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm not looking for an answer, it's a rhetorical question, and the correct answer is that it doesn't affect you.
    Oh but it does, it does.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    2. DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment. Pp. 13-26.


    United States v. Windsor : SCOTUSblog
    Why wasn't the 14th used to show compelling interest? Oh wait! There is none based on fact.

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Marriage is how the laws of marriage function, not the restrictions placed on who can legally enter into marriage.
    Self defense is how the laws of self defense function, too. The fact that there are certain characteristics that make it self defense doesn't equate to some unfair restriction against being able to call it self defense to shoot someone in the head because you don't like them. Marriage is defined by the law. Where it is one man and one woman (most of the world where sanity still rules), that's what it is and those physical characteristics are defining characteristics. You don't have to like reality but acknowledging it would be a healthy thing for you to do.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm not looking for an answer, it's a rhetorical question, and the correct answer is that it doesn't affect you.
    Not quite sure how you can make that call from Europe and not being DT himself. Are you signalling that you want others to tell you what's important to you and what affects you now?

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yeah, unless everybody decides to just not travel to (or through) another state ever again, this will happen. One day one of the above is going to occur and bam...lawsuit time.
    yep

    heck what about this and correct me if im wrong, didnt ACA open up insurance across state lines? so will insurances in SC not be able to offer my wife insurance in PA because they dont see us as married or is that covered by the fed by default?

    either way you get the example of how it could open up other ways too
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