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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Unless of course, marriage is one man and one woman. They do have equal protection under that law.
    5 Justices on the Supreme Court say that you are wrong. Good luck tilting that balance anytime soon.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    5 Justices on the Supreme Court say that you are wrong. Good luck tilting that balance anytime soon.
    They actually said that in a ruling? Can you link to that please? I was under the impression that they punted on both issues.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What's silly is that you are ignoring that the actual entity of marriage is a construct of one man plus one woman. Now you may go further to restrict some men and some women based on some other criteria, which may or may not be legal, but man and woman isn't a restriction, it's the essence of marriage. Without that, you have something else. And if you want something else, that's fine. I want my Nissan xTerra to be called a mountain bike so I can take it on woodland forest trails, but the mean people who make the laws say a bike is defined as a two-wheeled vehicle that is peddle powered and they're discriminating against my Nissan because of that.
    What you are ignoring is that the "construct" of marriage has changed numerous times throughout history. Just because you want to cling desperately to a word doesn't mean that the rest of the world is bound by your defintion. Sorry.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Marriage is a construct of black-letter law. A gas can is defined, not only as "a container" but by what you put in it. Marriage is similar to that. If you put water in a "gas can", it's not a gas can any more. It's a water can.
    Marriage is a concept. It is not a concrete. If you cannot interact with something, it is an abstract. This should have been a basic concept learned in school. A gas can can be touched, marriage cannot.

    If you put water in a gas can it is still a gas can. A gas can that cannot be used for gas without a major overhaul, but still a gas can.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Hopefully the judge whose case does reach the USSC will rule as carefully as Walker did. It's been a while but I remember when I read his decision. Due to the emotional sensitivity of the case as well as the fact that he was gay* he knew that his decision would be gone through with a fine tooth comb. In the end it was airtight which is probably why the USSC had no choice but to dismiss it.

    *Yes, I know, this is irrelevant but a lot of people saw that a conflict of interest, and all for stupid, irrelevant reasons.
    im fine with them making sure the Is are dotted and Ts are crossed.
    because with the fall of DOMA and SSCs already ruling that a ban is a violation of equality I cant really see an outcome where the RULE that a ban is ok. I can see them punting if the issues isnt pushed hard enough or the specific case isnt presented properly though.

    and yes i agree with your last part.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Unless of course, marriage is one man and one woman. They do have equal protection under that law.
    Marriage is how the laws of marriage function, not the restrictions placed on who can legally enter into marriage.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Because it isn't marriage.



    So how does gay marriage affect your life?

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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    So how does it affect your life?
    I have answered this several times already, go through the thread.
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They actually said that in a ruling? Can you link to that please? I was under the impression that they punted on both issues.
    Yep. Have you read the opinion? Justice Kennedy writing for the majority said that there is no legitimate government interest in restricting marriage to straights only. The opinion essentially says that while states are free to define marriage, they must do so in a way that does not violate the 5th Amendment. Everyone, including Scalia knows that what Kennedy is saying is that he would strike down any state definition that discriminates against gays. If you don't have Kennedy....where are you going to get that 5th vote for government discrimination?
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    re: After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits. [W:345]

    this question was totally dodged earlier but is there anybody that is ok with this example or that thinks when these issues are pushed to the courts they will find it ok?

    for example im married to my wife in PA and we are granted all the state and federal rights.

    she is traveling in SC and gets in a car accident is it right for them not to notify me to make medical decisions if that state does recognize my marriage?
    what if she dies? can they just not tell me since they dont see us as married?
    of if i go there to i not have visitation rights since in that state we arent married?
    etc etc etc

    can she be forced to testify against me in that state?
    can she legally cheat in that state?

    etc etc etc

    with the fall of doma its examples and reality like this that will eventually push the issues and equality will happen in every state.
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