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    19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    The 19 firefighters killed Sunday in Arizona were members of an elite crew known for battling the region’s worst fires, including two earlier this season before all but one member of the team died in the deadliest U.S. wildfire for firefighters in decades.

    Prescott Fire Chief Dan Fraijo said the 19 firefighters, whose names had not been released, were part of the city’s fire department. Before the fire near Yarnell, the group — one of 13 Arizona Hotshot crews — had been profiled in local media last year as they prepared for the fire season and this year as they took on a blaze near Prescott earlier this month...

    State forestry spokesman Art Morrison told the Associated Press that the firefighters were forced to deploy their emergency fire shelters — tent-like structures meant to shield firefighters from flames and heat — when they were caught in the fire. An estimated 200 homes were also destroyed by the blaze, which fed on dry grass near the communities of Yarnell and Grand Island.

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    I can only imagine the terror these guys went through when they realized they were surrounded with nowhere to go. Awful.

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    This is what they chose to do with their lives. God Bless them for their service.

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    OMG....What a way to go...These people are what we need today. I constantly stand in awe of certain members of this generation that volunteers to do these types of needed jobs selflessly....They are the best of the best.
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    This would appear to be the tent they deployed:

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    According to what I read, they're mandatory equipment for every wildfire firefighter. They've saved upwards of 300 lives. Apparently, they count on the fire burning over them in a hurry.

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    These were the best of the best. Think...the green berets of the fire fighter world. Top scores on their cpats, etc.

    But no one controls the wind. Damn crying shame. I feel for their families.
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Arizona is a very sad place today

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    I would guess they died from carbon monoxide and lack of oxygen, not from being burned to death. They probably did not suffer being burned to death, but rather likely were gassed to death or lack of oxygen.

    Speculatively, being featured on TV may have lead them psychologically to take more risks then normal to prove/believing how good they are. Can't know.

    Fires can shift to conflagrations very quickly and without warning. This happens when the heat of a fire becomes so high that it is that heat - not actual flame travel - spreading the fire. In the past in major urban fires, even fire engines would get trapped when that started happening - suddenly all the buildings across the street would just explode in flames from the intense heat. In wildfires, that effect then also can be enhanced by wind and wind shift.

    Grassfires, if intense and combined with dry dead tree and bush droppings can travel almost as fast as the wind itself as it takes little to cause grass to flame even without any flames yet reaching it.

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    so horrible so sorry
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I would guess they died from carbon monoxide and lack of oxygen, not from being burned to death. They probably did not suffer being burned to death, but rather likely were gassed to death or lack of oxygen.

    Speculatively, being featured on TV may have lead them psychologically to take more risks then normal to prove/believing how good they are. Can't know.

    Fires can shift to conflagrations very quickly and without warning. This happens when the heat of a fire becomes so high that it is that heat - not actual flame travel - spreading the fire. In the past in major urban fires, even fire engines would get trapped when that started happening - suddenly all the buildings across the street would just explode in flames from the intense heat. In wildfires, that effect then also can be enhanced by wind and wind shift.

    Grassfires, if intense and combined with dry dead tree and bush droppings can travel almost as fast as the wind itself as it takes little to cause grass to flame even without any flames yet reaching it.
    Makes sense. And I hope you're right -- that they died from lack of oxygen. I think they'd know that -- because if they were found in their tents, that's what it would indicate I think. I don't care how "protected" one would believe they'd be in their tent, when the pain from the flames became too severe, they'd be on their feet running. I think that makes me feel better. Gads.

    I hope this gives pause to firefighting strategy. ?? The reporters did say that the reason they were there at all was to save homes -- although I'm sure they were trying to contain the fire more than anything. I'd think fire containment could be fought from the air. ?? (Listen to Armchair Firefighting Quarterback MaggieD.)
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    According to what I read, they're mandatory equipment for every wildfire firefighter. They've saved upwards of 300 lives. Apparently, they count on the fire burning over them in a hurry.
    OMG.
    There is a lot of issues at play other then burning over them quickly. It's gives them a 50/50 chance (at best). A fire can quickly burn around you yet every ounce of oxygen is used up and you can suffocate.
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